Samsung F3 vs Seagate 7200.12 vs WD 640 Black

LAN_deRf_HA · Oct 30, 2009

The middle one is from fits, the samsung and WD are mine. Samsung outright beats the seagate, WD has the access time. Both 500s are single platter, WD is double. The samsung only cost me $50 free shipping.

Only real problem with samsung is I don't trust their reliability... even if they are the fastest drives out now... according to this at least http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2009/10/06/samsung-spinpoint-f3-1tb-review/1

erocker · Oct 30, 2009

Ouch! My 1tb 7200.12 gets much better performance than that! Maybe it's the difference of storage controllers. :ohwell:

Solaris17 · Oct 30, 2009

EDIT: agree with E my sammy F1 1TB gets better performance than that drive. i avg above 100mb/s minimum (when the drive was ampty.) im like 700GB in and i avg about 75 or so min

LAN_deRf_HA · Oct 30, 2009

Well I don't know how to explain the minimum rates, only thing I see that's similar with your rigs is you both have cpus with high memory bandwidth? Not sure if that really relates.

Solaris17 · Oct 30, 2009

no thats purely ram based. our bus speed is still the same as it has to be locked

erocker · Oct 30, 2009

Have you checked your device manager to make sure there are no missing drivers? You may want to update your chipset.

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Sea...=Intel®+Chipset+Software+Installation+Utility

INF Update Utility - Primarily for Intel® 5, 4, 3, 900 Series Chipsets

LAN_deRf_HA · Oct 30, 2009

I did that first thing when I installed win7 a week ago. All I can think is you two have much newer controllers? Because the center benchmark from fits and many others I've seen around the forum match up to mine, having above 100mb/s minimum seems to be a bit uncommon.

Kantastic · Oct 30, 2009

Sorry about the thread jack, but at the same price would you get a 500GB F3 or 500GB .12? I'm looking to grab my dad a new HDD since the old .9 makes really loud grinding noises (been like that since day 1), and I don't want to get another Caviar Black since I have one.

newtekie1 · Oct 30, 2009

Wow, WTH is wrong with that Western Digital? My seagate LP drives average only 10MB/s slower, and they are 5900RPM drives...:shadedshu

LittleLizard · Oct 30, 2009

Kantastic said:
Sorry about the thread jack, but at the same price would you get a 500GB F3 or 500GB .12? I'm looking to grab my dad a new HDD since the old .9 makes really loud grinding noises (been like that since day 1), and I don't want to get another Caviar Black since I have one.

if i were you i would go for seagate. I know their reliability is good (at least in my case)

kylzer · Oct 30, 2009

Ive got a 640black ill post my results later as i get different from that.

MilkyWay · Oct 30, 2009

WD drives win in reliability, the new F3 was supposed to be faster than the F1. F2 was just some "green" low power thing i think?

Seagate are okay mixed bag your drive will either die rather quick or live forever, i have a seagate 7200.12 tis okay has 32mb of cache just a backup drive really.

The F1 had sector problems tho, got a FREE refund and a replacement cannot beat that!
Money no expense id get a fast WD drive tho, for me at the time the F1 was fast and cheap or well SSD but they are low capacity right now so...

erocker · Oct 30, 2009

erocker said:
Ouch! My 1tb 7200.12 gets much better performance than that! Maybe it's the difference of storage controllers.

I need to put my foot in my mouth. :eek:

My 7200.12 gets the exact same performance as that with an AMD system. One thing I just noticed though is your CPU usage for that drive is insanely high!

theonedub · Oct 30, 2009

Solaris17 said:
http://img.techpowerup.org/091030/poke.png

EDIT: agree with E my sammy F1 1TB gets better performance than that drive. i avg above 100mb/s minimum (when the drive was ampty.) im like 700GB in and i avg about 75 or so min

That drive is pure win, love mine.

twicksisted · Oct 30, 2009

i just bought a 1TB samsung F3 to go into my main rig earlier today (arriving tomorrow morning!).... have a 250Gb samsung drive in my spare pc which is on 24/7 for the last 3 years or so with no issues.... i trust these sammy drives as much as i trust WD drives... and on top of it they run loads cooler and quieter

MilkyWay · Oct 30, 2009

twicksisted said:
i just bought a 1TB samsung F3 to go into my main rig earlier today (arriving tomorrow morning!).... have a 250Gb samsung drive in my spare pc which is on 24/7 for the last 3 years or so with no issues.... i trust these sammy drives as much as i trust WD drives... and on top of it they run loads cooler and quieter

samsung drives are quiet, cool and not power hungry

LAN_deRf_HA · Oct 30, 2009

I suppose it's worth noting the two drives I tested are half full but recently defraged. I recall the samsung scoring higher when it was empty but I don't remember what it got.

Steevo · Oct 30, 2009

Comparing a older lower capacity drive to a newer one is wrong. the higher the aurial density the faster the continuous reads and writes.

A 1TB drive has much faster reads and writes as the amount of data per revolution is higher due to more physical disks and heads, or higher data density. A 2TB drive will have faster reads and writes, a smaller drive like a 500 will have slower.

The 640 is only directly comparable to the 500's if they have the same number of platters, heads or were direct competitive offerings/made in the same short time frame.

angelkiller · Oct 31, 2009

Solaris17 said:
http://img.techpowerup.org/091030/poke.png

EDIT: agree with E my sammy F1 1TB gets better performance than that drive. i avg above 100mb/s minimum (when the drive was ampty.) im like 700GB in and i avg about 75 or so min

AFAIK, hdd bandwidth has nothing do do with how full it is. Any specific point on a hard drive can deliver data a a certain speed regardless of what that data is (or isn't). I could be wrong, but it doesn't make sense that the fuller it gets, the slower a benchmark is.

newtekie1 said:
Wow, WTH is wrong with that Western Digital? My seagate LP drives average only 10MB/s slower, and they are 5900RPM drives...:shadedshu

Platter density. 500GB @ 5900rpm vs 320GB @ 7200rpm. ~~But I guarantee your access time on that LP drive isn't under 12ms! Big platters give high bandwidth but 5900rpm gives slow access times.~~

Now those benches bring up a new question... Access times or bandwidth? The WD Black has a sub 12ms access time, which I'm sure has to be in the top 3 for 7200rpm drives. However, the Samsung can deliver data 24% faster on average, sequentially. I'm more inclined to the WD Black unless I have a specific need for sequential reads.

newtekie1 · Oct 31, 2009

angelkiller said:
Platter density. 500GB @ 5900rpm vs 320GB @ 7200rpm. But I guarantee your access time on that LP drive isn't under 12ms! Big platters give high bandwidth but 5900rpm gives slow access times.

13.0ms exactly, so faster than the other two drives, and only 1ms slower than the WD. Not bad, the access time difference wouldn't even be noticeable.

angelkiller · Oct 31, 2009

newtekie1 said:
13.0ms exactly, so faster than the other two drives, and only 1ms slower than the WD. Not bad, the access time difference wouldn't even be noticeable.

I find it hard to believe that a 5900rpm hard drive can achieve an access time of 13ms. Seagate has a drive called the Pipeline HD Pro, which is not a part of the LP series and it spins at 7200rpm and has a capacity of 1TB. Do you have this drive, by chance?

newtekie1 · Oct 31, 2009

angelkiller said:
I find it hard to believe that a 5900rpm hard drive can achieve an access time of 13ms. Seagate has a drive called the Pipeline HD Pro, which is not a part of the LP series and it spins at 7200rpm and has a capacity of 1TB. Do you have this drive, by chance?

Nope, I have LP drive, ST31500541AS to be exact.

Ignore CPU usage, F@H was running in the background.

angelkiller · Oct 31, 2009

newtekie1 said:
Nope, I have LP drive, ST31500541AS to be exact.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/newtekie1/5900.jpg
Ignore CPU usage, F@H was running in the background.

Well then. I'm wrong.

:toast:

LAN_deRf_HA · Oct 31, 2009

This is what someone reports for the 1 TB F3 on newegg.

Burst rate: 165 MB/sec
Max Read: 148 MB/sec
Avg Read: 117MB/sec
Min Read: 72 MB/sec
Access time: 13.1 ms

Seems pretty close to what I got on the single platter version, though for some reason the access time is better despite being the 2 platter version? I suppose that's just differences between chipsets and how full/fraged the drives are.

Maybe we need to start a thread where everyone posts their hd tune results along side their chipsets and a general statement about how full/fraged it is. The first post can be updated with a direct link to posts with the hd tune results, grouping them by exact drive models. So people can see differences between drives, and differences between the same drive, both on the same and different chipsets. Might not be necessary, but could be useful.

On a related note, I find my brother's old raptor results interesting. Def. wins latency, but nothing else.

twicksisted · Oct 31, 2009

ill post up a HDtune of my 1TB sammy F3 i just installed today after i get all my service packs in

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Motherboard	Asus P8Z77-V
Cooling	H110
Memory	16GB(4x4) @ 2400 MHz 9-11-11-31
Video Card(s)	GTX 780 Ti
Storage	850 EVO 1TB, 2x 5TB Toshiba
Case	T81
Audio Device(s)	X-Fi Titanium HD
Power Supply	EVGA 850 T2 80+ TITANIUM
Software	Win10 64bit

Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard	ASUS TUF x670e
Cooling	EK AIO 360. Phantek T30 fans.
Memory	32GB G.Skill 6000Mhz
Video Card(s)	Asus RTX 4090
Storage	WD m.2
Display(s)	LG C2 Evo OLED 42"
Case	Lian Li PC 011 Dynamic Evo
Audio Device(s)	Topping E70 DAC, SMSL SP200 Headphone Amp.
Power Supply	FSP Hydro Ti PRO 1000W
Mouse	Razer Basilisk V3 Pro
Keyboard	Tester84
Software	Windows 11

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Processor	I9 14900KS
Motherboard	EVGA z690 Dark KINGPIN (modded BIOS)
Cooling	EK-AIO Elite 360 D-RGB
Memory	64GB Gskill Trident Z5 DDR5 6000 @6400
Video Card(s)	MSI SUPRIM Liquid X 4090
Storage	1x 500GB 980 Pro \| 1x 1TB 980 Pro \| 1x 8TB Corsair MP400
Display(s)	Odyssey OLED G9 G95SC
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Power Supply	Bequiet! Power Pro 12 1500w
Mouse	Lamzu Atlantis mini (White)
Keyboard	Monsgeek M3 Lavender, Akko Crystal Blues
VR HMD	Quest 3
Software	Windows 11
Benchmark Scores	I dont have time for that.

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Processor	i7 3770k @ 4.8 GHz
Motherboard	Asus P8Z77-V
Cooling	H110
Memory	16GB(4x4) @ 2400 MHz 9-11-11-31
Video Card(s)	GTX 780 Ti
Storage	850 EVO 1TB, 2x 5TB Toshiba
Case	T81
Audio Device(s)	X-Fi Titanium HD
Power Supply	EVGA 850 T2 80+ TITANIUM
Software	Win10 64bit

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Cooling	EK-AIO Elite 360 D-RGB
Memory	64GB Gskill Trident Z5 DDR5 6000 @6400
Video Card(s)	MSI SUPRIM Liquid X 4090
Storage	1x 500GB 980 Pro \| 1x 1TB 980 Pro \| 1x 8TB Corsair MP400
Display(s)	Odyssey OLED G9 G95SC
Case	Lian Li o11 Evo Dynamic White
Audio Device(s)	Moondrop S8's on Schiit Hel 2e
Power Supply	Bequiet! Power Pro 12 1500w
Mouse	Lamzu Atlantis mini (White)
Keyboard	Monsgeek M3 Lavender, Akko Crystal Blues
VR HMD	Quest 3
Software	Windows 11
Benchmark Scores	I dont have time for that.

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