Sapphire X800 GTO AGP pipe unlock

dolf · Jun 21, 2006

Sceptor1 said:
Sapphire x800GTO AGP r430 400/490

Tried using atiflash to flash one of Dolf's bios16.bin with the command given and I get the 0FL01 error, also stating that "Adapter not found" right before the error.

Attached is my original bios dumped from ATI Tool

Wasn't sure how to get a picture of my fuses but I'll type out the lines.

CONFIG_DIE_FUSES 0xFFFFFFFF
CONFIG_SUBSTRATE_FUSES 0xFFFFFF9F
CONFIG_ROM_FUSES 0xA61
400/490

Would appreciate any help to unlock the pipes that I think I can unlock

Use that link to download all needed: http://savefile.com/projects.php?pid=971168

SPYcorp · Jun 21, 2006

After waiting long 1,5 weeks i got my AGP Sapphire x800 GTO (lite) today. [my 9800pro@XT died 2 weeks ago]
So i build in my new card and reinstalled drivers and was wondering a lot while checking for unlockable pipes with ATI tool.

ATI tool already showed up 16 active pipes with R430 core ?!? wtf

These are my ATI tool reading @ factorydefault

The card was original packed and sealed. So no other Person is possible to unlock it before (except a friendly Sapphire Employee).

Anybody got same strange things ? Testing OC of that card will follow. Now first i had to catch up my lost gaming days

[edit]
So. Seems to be a poor OC Card. Raising the Core more than 10MHz, temp goes to 85° (same for Rams with stockcooling).
@ Desktop / idle the card is running ~50 degrees. Is that normal?
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chonga · Jun 21, 2006

hey guys, i tried a different power supply with my card and same result.... so its not the power supply.

any thoughts on how to figure out if its my mobo or card causing these problems?

i dont know how the card or mobo would cause my cd drive not to work when i use the x800gto

error_f0rce · Jun 22, 2006

SPYcorp said:
After waiting long 1,5 weeks i got my AGP Sapphire x800 GTO (lite)
[edit]
So. Seems to be a poor OC Card. Raising the Core more than 10MHz, temp goes to 85° (same for Rams with stockcooling).
@ Desktop / idle the card is running ~50 degrees. Is that normal?
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Ok, first off what is this "X800 GTO (lite)" stuff? And no, that's not normal for it to run that hot. You either have an issue with a bad card, or you're using a microwave as your computer case :laugh:

Do you have any venting, airflow in your case? My AGP Sapphire X800 GTO 256mb R430 (with 16 pipes) runs idle at 37c, and under heavy load (3DMark05) only ever runs as high as 52c. That is stock cooling. I also have a cr@p load of fans cooling my case (see my specs), but yours still shouldn't be running that hot.

Is it possible somehow you got a refurbished card? I've seen those for sale online from "retailers" with 16 pipes unlocked. IMO send it back and get another one if you can. You'll have to check, but sometimes they don't charge restocking fees for an exchange. And don't get hung on the 16 pipe thing, it's easy enough to do with your next one.

Question for all: People seem to be having a lot of trouble flashing their bioses for X800's. What is the standard DOS command that people are using? I used "atiflash -p -f 0 -newbios newbios.bin" and that worked first time, like a charm. Often I see people not adding the -newbios parameter... what exactly does that do?

SPYcorp · Jun 22, 2006

lite just means no extra software. --> Sapphire x800 GTO lite (just an example)

Card was new and original packed. No sealbreaking visible.
The strange Ting are these already unlocked pipes. Maybe reelly refrurbished.
The 50° are in an 30° envirorment and no extra Fans working except CPU und PSU fans.
Damn. My whole System shows ~ 60c had to rebuild my cooling. But for errortracking i deinstalled all possible errorpart, to dedect my dead 9800pro as damaged.

dolf · Jun 22, 2006

-newbios is a key which allows to the atiflash to overwrite the "preserved" parts of the BIOS (such part is the active pipe number information)

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SPYcorp · Jun 22, 2006

Hmmm....
I think i´ll send it back.
Playing 15 minutes NFS:MW the GPU temp raise 75°C (Roomtemp ~27°c / CPU ~60°c / Northbridge ~55°)

3D mark05 same tempissue.

A 120cm fan blows direkt to the x800 (idle temp GPU: 46°/43° and CPU 55°/40°).

rf900 · Jun 23, 2006

Hi

SPYcorp: I have the same model as you. The card is different than the one that dolf shows in the instructions pdf. I also have 16 pipes enabled when I bought it and temperatures are very high.

I have in a Shuttle (barebone) so you can imagine. The gpu fan is nearly touching the case..

I am getting around 50-55ºC on idle and 90ºC at load on the Gpu. I should return it but the shop where I bought it gives everybody headaches, I will never buy there again.

dolf · Jun 23, 2006

rf900 said:
Hi

SPYcorp: I have the same model as you. The card is different than the one that dolf shows in the instructions pdf. I also have 16 pipes enabled when I bought it and temperatures are very high.

I have in a Shuttle (barebone) so you can imagine. The gpu fan is nearly touching the case..

I am getting around 50-55ºC on idle and 90ºC at load on the Gpu. I should return it but the shop where I bought it gives everybody headaches, I will never buy there again.

Can you please show me picture/s of the card?

rf900 · Jun 23, 2006

Here is a review of the card with images:

http://www.digitalreviews.net/reviews/200512/sapphireradeonx800gto-3.html

They say that it is hot at around 60ºC, but they do not specify if it is in idle or at load.

I will try to mount the card on a bigger case, but will take some days. Still the air flow in the shuttle is quite good, and the gpu is the only component that gets really hot. The cpu is around 50-55 with the fan on full.

I did a test with the case opened and the Gpu was at 90ºC (this was before applying a termic paste) now I guess it will be 85ºC with the case opened, as it is 90ºC with the case closed. What a mess... hope it is undestandable.

dolf · Jun 23, 2006

It is different card (native AGP board) the same like old X800PRO AGP (in fact it is renamed X800PRO). It should uses R420 (or R481) and for sure is hotter than the card listed in my "flashing instructions" for X800GTO R430 and Realto bridge. The normal working temperatures for such card with 12 pipes under load should be 70-80C (deppending of the frequency up to 580MHz core). If it is unlockable to 16 pipes and is used with the original cooler the temp. should go even higher :eek:

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Please to post here fuse values of card like that just to estimate the unlocking potential and eventually the BIOS image.

SPYcorp · Jun 23, 2006

Fuses of my Card are 1 Page before.
The strange thing is, that it was already unlocked to 16 pipes, when i bought it (new and sealed).
(Sticker on card and Properties also say x800GTO)
According to the Benches of bf900´s link my card seems to be faster then the testet one (because auf the 16 pipes) and the layout doesnt 100% fit to the pictures.

Doom 3 runs high @ 1280 no AA/AF @ 65 fps and 4xAA/AF ~50 fps
Will test 3D Mark 05/05, too
My card carries a R430 core (info from ATI-tool) and has the correct unlocking fuses.
But overclocking is sensless because of the temps. So no x850 clocking is possible /w overheading the card.

P.S. Damn hard do not write nouns in capital letter *g
P.P.S How do i detect it has Realto or not ?!?

dolf · Jun 23, 2006

You can see the Realto bridge on the back of the card and the PCB should be bigger than present. I consider that your core is R481 (almost impossible to have R430). Try to overclock and if you achieve more than 450MHz on the core (480-560MHz) it will be indication that I am right. What is your PCB Part Number? (Something like that PN 109-Axxxxx-xx - in the top front side of the card near the fan connector). Here you are one review of Sapphire X800GTO AGP: http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/video/sapphire-14.html

Here you are link to the review when you can see Reference card ATI RADEON X800 XL AGP with Realto bridge: http://www.ixbt.com/video2/sapphire-13.shtml

error_f0rce · Jun 23, 2006

SPYcorp said:
Playing 15 minutes NFS:MW the GPU temp raise 75°C (Roomtemp ~27°c / CPU ~60°c / Northbridge ~55°)
3D mark05 same tempissue.

A 120cm fan blows direkt to the x800 (idle temp GPU: 46°/43° and CPU 55°/40°).

If you want to keep the card, think about getting a cooler, like a Zalman VF900-cu or an ATi Silencer 5 rev. 2. I just installed a Zalman VF900-cu on my X800 GTO last night, here's the results:
Stock Idle: 38c

Stock Heavy Load: 52c

w/ Zalman Idle: 32c :cool:

w/ Zalman Heavy Load: 45c

OC'd (stable) @ 438|555 w/ Zalman Heavy Load: 47c|42c :rockout:

3DMark05 Stock: 5138
3DMark05 OC'd: 5592

Now that's what I call cooling!! :roll:

dolf · Jun 23, 2006

SPYcorp, looking the review you have X800XT (non VIVO) and probably if you flash X800XT BIOS it will be transformed in real XT card (you have to disable the VIVO feature within the BIOS). The only problem that I see is the DeviceID changing which usually remains unchanged (on AGP cards). It happen when I have tried to flash X850XT BIOS on my X800XT. You have to try X800XT AGP BIOS and to see whether your Device ID will be changed from 55xx to 4Axx. If the flash results in Device ID 55xx it means that you have to reflash to the original BIOS. If you succeed to change the first 2 digits of the Device ID (I doubt that it will happen) your card can be flashed to X850 also.

I am 100% agree that you need better cooling.

error_f0rce · Jun 23, 2006

Question for all:
When I was taking the stock cooler off my AGPSapphire X800 GTO last night, I noticed the chip said PCIExpress on it... is that normal for an R430 chip? :confused:

dolf · Jun 23, 2006

error_f0rce said:
Question for all:
When I was taking the stock cooler off my AGPSapphire X800 GTO last night, I noticed the chip said PCIExpress on it... is that normal for an R430 chip?

It is normal but the PCI-E chip (R430) obligatory should be bridged to AGP with Realto bridge. You can see that combination also on X800XL AGP. R430 is native PCI-E chip (also R480 and R423) but R430 is build to be cheap (11 micron technology) and is used for the low-end cards.

SPYcorp · Jun 23, 2006

Better cooling, of course.
But i was really wondering, that my card is running such high temps with default clocks and stockcooler. So before i destroy my warranty by removing the stockcooler i want be be sure, that my card is OK.

Here a (poor) handypic of my card.

While searching the bridge i realiszed, that the cooler doest fit exact on the card.
It a bit slope (sorry, hope the word is correct taken from dictinary

).
The cooler lays an a cardpart wich retains the coller to be plain on card. Maybe my tempissue ?

@ dolph Here are 2 numbers from the card.
PN 1025-CC66-0A-SA
SKU ' 11066-2

I my opinion flashing to XT is not nessesary, because they are the same except the clocks and pipes. And higher clocks isnt possible at the moment.

error_f0rce · Jun 23, 2006

Along that same line of thought: what performance differences, if any, have been noted between simply unlocking the additional 4 pipes on an R430 and actually flashing an R430 with an XT bios?

error_f0rce · Jun 23, 2006

yeah, that doesn't look like my Sapphire X800 GTO... must be different.
Here's what mine looks like:

dolf · Jun 23, 2006

Oooo SPYcorp, this is different GTO and it is with R430 and Realto. Don't flash any BIOS different than the original. With 16 pipes it should be OK. But the temperature seems too high for R430. Check the cooler (how hot is on touch) because the termal compaund between core and the cooler can be poor and to cause "peak" heat problems. (Fast heating and high constant temperature, high fan speed without result.)

error_f0rce · Jun 23, 2006

I agree. If it feels pretty hot to the touch, I would take it off and at least clean it and re-apply some thermal compound (get Arctic Silver 5). That might solve your problem all together, especially if you're saying your cooler looks slanted, or tilted to one side.

When you take it off, scrape off the excess thermal compound (DON'T USE METAL!), then use q-tips with rubbing alcohol (at least 70%) to get the rest off. Finish by wiping it down with a lint-free cloth, or use a coffee filter, those work great (no fibers!). Make sure not to touch the GPU or RAM chips with your fingers (OIL!) For GPU's I'd recommend only using a tiny amount of thermal paste, spread it evenly, scraping it flat along the GPU with a credit card, or anything else long, thin, flat, stiff, that won't scratch it. There should only be about 1 mm or less of thermal paste on top of the GPU when you are done spreading it. Do the same for the RAM chips that are touching the cooler as well. Put it back on and see what temps you're getting then!

Good luck!

SPYcorp · Jun 23, 2006

@ error force
Yes. And your Rams are cooled, too. Mine are free to air

These are two differnt boardlayouts, so i´m unshure, a AC Silencer will fit wich one. mine or errors ?
Im really interesstet, cooling rams,too because my old 9800 i just clued some passiv sinks on ram. The new ATI Silencer 5 v2 promisses ramcooling. but for wich board ?

@ dolf
according to the no flash, because realto. should i´m be happy that there are already unlocket all 16 pipes and keep that card ?!? because all available (Sapphire) GTO´s should have the same layout as mine. And GTO at all become more and more rare on market.

dolf · Jun 23, 2006

Depending on where you live you can search for other card and to keep that until you find better (X800PRO VIVO / XT; X850PRO VIVO from ATI or MSI or the same like Error_f0rce). In Europe there still left X850PROs for 200-220 EUR. In USA only Connect3D X850PRO VIVO remains which is not modable to 16 pipes.
Your card and Error_f0rce card have the same cores R430, probably the same 2.0ns memory and should reach comparable results. Just the colour, the shape and the cooler are different. (My opinion is that the cards like of Error_f0rce has far more better cooling and can be clocked higher with 16 pipes). But it was me the final decision is yours.

rf900 · Jun 23, 2006

SPYcorp: I am nearly 100% sure that we have the same card... I also noticed the slope, you have 2 screws for the fan/dissipator part, and it seems that it is lower on one side, but there is no screw on the other side to compensate it. Therefore it seems that the dissipator is not well flat on the gpu. For me this could be part of the problem, the other part is that the fan is quite small and slow.

Ati tools also tell me that I have the chip r430.

I applied a good quality temic paste and it lowered the temp of my cpu and gpu by 5ºC. Still not enough.

I can only OC to 420 the gpu. With 440 it hangs. And funny if I put it to 300 it also hangs up.

Processor	2,2GHz Athlon XP-M
Motherboard	MSI KT6 Delta
Cooling	poor Watercooling
Memory	2x 512 MB Kingston value
Video Card(s)	Sapphire x800GTO @ 16pipes
Storage	80GB Maxtor
Display(s)	noname 19" CRT
Case	noname bigtower
Audio Device(s)	SB Live 5.1 digital
Power Supply	be Quite 450W

Processor	Intel Core i7-930 (D0) @ 4.0GHz (1.28v)
Motherboard	GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R
Cooling	CoolIT ECO-R120 Advanced Liquid Cooling w/ x2 Scythe ULTRA-KAZE 3000rpm \| Scythe Master controller
Memory	Mushkin Enhanced Redline - 6GB DDR3 @ 1910MHz 8-10-8-29
Video Card(s)	MSI N460GTX Twin Frozr II SOC GeForce GTX 460 768MB 192-bit GDDR5
Storage	RAID-0 w/ 2x OCZ Agility 2 SSD 90GB SATA II 3.5" (r4.6Gb/s w4.2Gb/s)
Display(s)	ASUS VW266H - 26" LCD
Case	COOLER MASTER Storm Scout \| x2 120mm Scythe ULTRA-KAZE \| 140mm Scythe Slipstream KAZE Maru2
Power Supply	Thermaltake Black Widow TR2 RX - 850w

Processor	2,2GHz Athlon XP-M
Motherboard	MSI KT6 Delta
Cooling	poor Watercooling
Memory	2x 512 MB Kingston value
Video Card(s)	Sapphire x800GTO @ 16pipes
Storage	80GB Maxtor
Display(s)	noname 19" CRT
Case	noname bigtower
Audio Device(s)	SB Live 5.1 digital
Power Supply	be Quite 450W

Processor	2,2GHz Athlon XP-M
Motherboard	MSI KT6 Delta
Cooling	poor Watercooling
Memory	2x 512 MB Kingston value
Video Card(s)	Sapphire x800GTO @ 16pipes
Storage	80GB Maxtor
Display(s)	noname 19" CRT
Case	noname bigtower
Audio Device(s)	SB Live 5.1 digital
Power Supply	be Quite 450W

Processor	2,2GHz Athlon XP-M
Motherboard	MSI KT6 Delta
Cooling	poor Watercooling
Memory	2x 512 MB Kingston value
Video Card(s)	Sapphire x800GTO @ 16pipes
Storage	80GB Maxtor
Display(s)	noname 19" CRT
Case	noname bigtower
Audio Device(s)	SB Live 5.1 digital
Power Supply	be Quite 450W

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