A test to see if Secubegone removes stutter/slow downs from games

EastCoasthandle · May 1, 2010

I found something interesting that I need to put to the test. If you are experiencing stuttering, slow downs, odd pausing, etc in games and haven't found a fix for it then you are a candidate for this experiment. What I like you to do is go to the Secubegone website, download the program and run it. Once completed reboot your PC then try the game to see if things improved.

Secubegone is a program solely designed to remove SecuRom from your PC. You can edit the .bat and see what it actually does. The article also advises that you look at your registry for other SecuRom related entries but for the most part may/may not be necessary (unless you want to make absolutely sure). Also it tells you to run CCleaner for your registry, IMO I ask that you do not unless you are absolutely sure that the registry entries you want to delete are not needed. I say this because the reasons provided for using CCleaner's registry cleaner are vague to me. Keep in mind that some games may not work if SecuRom requires it or simply reinstall SecuRom. So keep that in mind, as this is a test to see if any improvement is made.

Sidenote:
If you use an antivirus program make sure you exclude the games:
-install directory
-my documents subdirectory
- game.exe or the game's executable file
then reboot.

EastCoasthandle · May 1, 2010

No takers? Really?

Arrakis9 · May 1, 2010

edit: didnt read all of the post

ShiBDiB · May 2, 2010

i dont think i play anything with securom, most developers dropped it

Mussels · May 2, 2010

not sure what games i have that use it, so i'd rather not risk using it.

qubit · May 2, 2010

I only run games on Steam that have no third party DRM, because I boycott this crap.

The only time I ran anything with securom on it was cod4, because I forgot to check when I got the disc. I wiped my Windows install after I finished playing it and never re-installed it.

AphexDreamer · May 2, 2010

Why would it cause games to stutter?

Mussels · May 2, 2010

AphexDreamer said:
Why would it cause games to stutter?

because like most DRM's, its a poorly tested piece of crap. ever heard of cracked versions of games running better than retail? this is why.

EastCoasthandle · May 2, 2010

If you are wondering if you have Securom on your PC just do a quick search in Explorer and see what pops up.

Go to: Tools > Folder > View Tab > select "Show Hidden Files and Folders" > uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" > Exit

If you have win7/vista do a search for SecuRom by typing SecuRom in the box in the upper right corner of Explorer (don't select to Index the entire Drive(s)). If it pops up its more then likely you currently have SecuRom installed and running on your PC. Just go back to the OP and read the instructions in the link. Just take note to the OP regarding those instructions.

TIGR · May 2, 2010

I'll bite—CoD4 stutters for me a bit, unless I have Quad SLI enabled, in which case it stutters a lot. To the point where it's impossible to play competitively. Will give this a whirl.

TIGR · May 2, 2010

Update to above (making new post to make sure you see it East): I tried it and it did not help for me. However, my problem is probably due to something more complex, given the system's unusual 7-GPU configuration.

EastCoasthandle · May 2, 2010

Thanks for the input. However, I had a single GPU in mind for this test.

newconroer · May 2, 2010

Mussels said:
because like most DRM's, its a poorly tested piece of crap. ever heard of cracked versions of games running better than retail? this is why.

You're not serious?

Even if we can agree that some pirated game copies run worse than their legitimate counter-parts, it's not because of a DRM system, it's because of how the game is stripped, repacked, recoded etc.etc.
And how exactly would the DRM that underlines a program, function different whether the program was illegal or legal?

If Securom, Star Force and other methods were actually causing real world gaming performance issues, don't you think after a decade of development, that it would be widely known - and subsequently addressed already?

Hey, it's a neat little tool, IF you really want to remove all traces of these files from your system. But then again, you should have no reason to. The files aren't doing anything harmful.

Seems to me that the program's creator picked a topic that was very controversial and aimed it's development towards appeasing the victims of said controversy.
Though I can think of easier ways to get attention.

You can find all you need about removing Securom type software from your system, by looking at one of Koroush's guide(or one of the other thousand that already exist + some with batch files).
Furthermore, they all agree that Securom is not vile software that spies on you once you remove a game/program.

I'd be weary of any all-in-one batch file that starts stripping registry information. It's hilarious that in the same breath, they want you to run this program to wipe out registry entries, but then advise you don't use CCleaner to wipe out registry entries unless necessary?

EastCoasthandle · May 2, 2010

newconroer said:
You're not serious?

Even if we can agree that some pirated game copies run worse than their legitimate counter-parts, it's not because of a DRM system, it's because of how the game is stripped, repacked, recoded etc.etc.
And how exactly would the DRM that underlines a program, function different whether the program was illegal or legal?

If Securom, Star Force and other methods were actually causing real world gaming performance issues, don't you think after a decade of development, that it would be widely known - and subsequently addressed already?

Hey, it's a neat little tool, IF you really want to remove all traces of these files from your system. But then again, you should have no reason to. The files aren't doing anything harmful.

Seems to me that the program's creator picked a topic that was very controversial and aimed it's development towards appeasing the victims of said controversy.
Though I can think of easier ways to get attention.

You can find all you need about removing Securom type software from your system, by looking at one of Koroush's guide(or one of the other thousand that already exist + some with batch files).
Furthermore, they all agree that Securom is not vile software that spies on you once you remove a game/program.

I'd be weary of any all-in-one batch file that starts stripping registry information. It's hilarious that in the same breath, they want you to run this program to wipe out registry entries, but then advise you don't use CCleaner to wipe out registry entries unless necessary?

This thread is designed as a test to see what effects may result from removing DRM from a PC where a person is experiencing stuttering, pausing, etc. In particular a PC that uses one GPU. The context of your post is for the most part an attempt to flame. Furthermore, when creating this thread it was not intended to discuss the intimacies of DRM in general. I feel that I have to reiterate the OP as you've seem to completely miss the point of why I created this thread.

Mussels · May 3, 2010

newconroer said:
You're not serious?

Even if we can agree that some pirated game copies run worse than their legitimate counter-parts, it's not because of a DRM system, it's because of how the game is stripped, repacked, recoded etc.etc.
And how exactly would the DRM that underlines a program, function different whether the program was illegal or legal?

If Securom, Star Force and other methods were actually causing real world gaming performance issues, don't you think after a decade of development, that it would be widely known - and subsequently addressed already?

Hey, it's a neat little tool, IF you really want to remove all traces of these files from your system. But then again, you should have no reason to. The files aren't doing anything harmful.

Seems to me that the program's creator picked a topic that was very controversial and aimed it's development towards appeasing the victims of said controversy.
Though I can think of easier ways to get attention.

You can find all you need about removing Securom type software from your system, by looking at one of Koroush's guide(or one of the other thousand that already exist + some with batch files).
Furthermore, they all agree that Securom is not vile software that spies on you once you remove a game/program.

I'd be weary of any all-in-one batch file that starts stripping registry information. It's hilarious that in the same breath, they want you to run this program to wipe out registry entries, but then advise you don't use CCleaner to wipe out registry entries unless necessary?

when most programs get cracked, the DRM is no longer used. If that DRM was constantly scanning your DVD drives or reading system memory or trying to contact some online server, is it really hard to believe it could slow things down?

securom may not be the worst one out there, but thats the entire point of this thread - if you have issues, remove it, see if they go away.

crazyeyesreaper · May 3, 2010

i can say there is a difference with securom there and gone example fallout 3 install it normally i got crashes and stutters fairly frequently but if you turn autoplay off for teh dvd drives and install the game by exploring the cd first you can bypass the securom install. By doing that i loaded the same save files and where there was stuttering it was gone. but this was on my 4870x2 havent tried it on this setup with the 5850s. I can personally say securom and no securom sometimes really does impact performance or general gameplay. it wasnt horrible but it was noticeable

EastCoasthandle · May 4, 2010

I think it all depends how much resources DRM actually use though.

cadaveca · May 5, 2010

I'll bite on this one, image my drive, and give it a try. Are there any specific apps to use to test, or what?

crazyeyesreaper · May 5, 2010

any game with securom would be my guess the harsher the securom check the better XD

FordGT90Concept · May 5, 2010

ShiBDiB said:
i dont think i play anything with securom, most developers dropped it

Lies. Except the most recent releases from EA and Ubisoft that have that constant internet connection BS, most major titles over the last two years were protected by SecuROM 7. Some of them:

-Borderlands
-Battlefield: Bad Company 2
-Spore
-Mass Effect
-Bioshock
-Need for Speed: Shift
-The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
-Grand Theft Auto IV
-S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat

...and that is only the tip of the iceberg...

All of these titles will refuse to run without SecuROM fully functional (or bypassed). Uninstalling the rootkits for SecuROM will most likely render all games that require it useless.

TIGR said:
I'll bite—CoD4 stutters for me a bit, unless I have Quad SLI enabled, in which case it stutters a lot. To the point where it's impossible to play competitively. Will give this a whirl.

Call of Duty 4 uses SafeDisc 4 (a Macrovision product), not SecuROM (a Sony DADC product).

DrPepper · May 5, 2010

BFBC2 dropped securom though which is nice.

FordGT90Concept · May 5, 2010

Only the Steam version (I can't imagine SecuROM working real great without a disc). Retail version still has SecuROM 7 protection, unless it was removed after Mar 16.

newconroer said:
If Securom, Star Force and other methods were actually causing real world gaming performance issues, don't you think after a decade of development, that it would be widely known - and subsequently addressed already?

What can I say, publishers are in denial. Every time there was a serious problem with DRM (e.g. Ubisoft with Tages, then Star-Force, etc.), they replace it with another, and another, and another. Do they address the problems? No, not really. The games that were FUBAR'd by DRM will never work on x hardware or y operating systems and it will only get worse as hardware and software advances. Publishers only care about the first 6 months after a title is released when they make most of the money the title will ever make. After that, they couldn't care less (except a few, like Egosoft/Deep Silver).

KainXS · May 5, 2010

Oblivion had securom?, didn't they remove the cd check in a later update for the game though?

Mussels · May 5, 2010

EastCoasthandle said:
I think it all depends how much resources DRM actually use though.

its not the resources they use, its the conflicts.

for example, they may try and scan the disk in your drive for security not just at game startup, but while the game is running too - and if its scanning the disk while the game needs to read the disk, its gunna slow down. same with checking online for things - its gunna wait for a reply, and if that reply doesnt come instantly it could lag things out waiting for it (and i mean lag things out, as in its poorly coded and jams things up while its waiting)

I've definitely heard all this stuff about bad DRM before - google starforce, and all the shit it caused.

FordGT90Concept · May 5, 2010

KainXS said:
Oblivion had securom?, didn't they remove the cd check in a later update for the game though?

I don't think so unless it was recent (this year).

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