Help with New gaming rig that is most needed

HoboBob · Aug 16, 2010

Hey all! Will start by saying that I'm pleased to join you guys. :rockout:

I've read many reviews, blog, benches in the past 2 months and I think I'm close to ready to buy my new rig. Keep in mind that I haven't setup a rig for 6+ years and the last time I studied in comp eng. was 10+ years ago.

I'm looking to build a gaming rig that will not likely (I wish) go over $1500 CAN (living in Montreal, Canada).

USE: Gaming. high-end one mostly. Looking at you Crysis and Metro!
ENV: The rig will be placed in a medium size room with another PD running (maybe 2) so I need something quiet for the most part and not too hot. (yeh I'm dreaming a lil' coz I want to OC it)
BUY: Will mostly buy my parts from sohodiffusion (http://www.sohodiffusion.com/) and will go pick them up since I want to see them before giving away my money (seals, pins, etc.)

RIG:
CPU = Intel i7 920 I do want to OC it (wanted a D0, but none left there and the 920 is around 250$ tops, 930 = 310$)
MOBO = MSI Big Bang xpower (wanted something to last, cuz on my last rig, I had to change the mobo twice in a short period of time due to misinformation)
MEMORY = G-skill RIPJAWS 6GB DDR3-2000 CL9-9-9-24 240PIN TRIPLE CHANNEL ( looked at some review and they look decent. need help with optimized mem with my mobo)
COOLING = Thermaltake Frio CLP0564
CASE = Thermaltake Element G (mostly for the fans, finish and the cable management)
GPU = Gigabyte GTX460 1gb x 1 for now, in SLI in a near future. (that I plan to OC, need something quiet. could go for the MSI counterpart)

And now my question, the PSU. I've look at the occ reviews and been around TechPowerUp! and my last choice was to go with a Thermaltake TPX-875M... BUT! I read mixed reviews regarding the fact that the PSU was mostly made for being installed on a top rack and not at the bottom like it would be in the Element G. The Cables would seem (according to some users) to be a bit misplaced and the stupid leds and lettering would be upside down. SO, I'm looking for help to choose a nice PSU in the same range (almost silver) that could easily manage a SLI of 2 GTX 460, high voltage ram, many fans+cpu cooler and an OC'ed i7 920.

The display and the HDD are not an issue atm.

In conclusion, I need help with the PSU choice and maybe a feedback on the RAM or why should I go lower with better timing.

If you need links for the parts, I'll do my best because I'm at work atm

Have a great day, thank you for your help :toast:

HoboBob

Deleted member 74752 · Aug 16, 2010

If I could not get a DO version 920 I would not buy it. Hard to believe one cannot be found. :confused:

HoboBob · Aug 16, 2010

They were selling it for under 290$, but not anymore... :confused:

The stock 920 is now at 257$. Which is way more than a 930. Correct me if I'm wrong but many user choose stock 920 over 930? Better overclocking? :wtf:

Thx,
HoboBob

Deleted member 74752 · Aug 16, 2010

In general, yes the 920's usually are better oc'ers. Try the FS sections...someone usually has one posted.

Dent1 · Aug 16, 2010

HoboBob said:
(http://www.sohodiffusion.com/) and will go pick them up

Stay away from that website it is overpriced. The cheapest ATI 5750 is $153 opposed to $132 on newegg.ca and the cheapest GTX460 768MB is $225 opposed to $199 on newegg.ca

HoboBob · Aug 16, 2010

True, I knew that, altho I have to order from newegg.ca and the prices are way higher then the .com one with less deals and over the top shipping.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm the kind of guy who likes to see, live, what he's buying.

phanbuey · Aug 16, 2010

I would save the money on the CPU... if Gaming is your call then 1. drop the CPU and mobo... a i5 750 and a cheap $80 1156 mobo will save you money for a better GPU... then go for a 480 or a 5890.

JrRacinFan · Aug 16, 2010

HoboBob said:
True, I knew that, altho I have to order from newegg.ca and the prices are way higher then the .com one with less deals and over the top shipping.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm the kind of guy who likes to see, live, what he's buying.

TBH, you get a BETTER grip online of what your buying. In a local shop all you see is a box, and a limited inventory. Online you get specs, pics of the item(s) out of the box, and have the convenience of not leaving your home.

EDIT

I am with you on that, PB. Could cut the cost of the rig by ~25% with an amd athlon II x4 6x0 + 8 series chipset.

HoboBob · Aug 16, 2010

Thx for the reply.

I should have included that my gf might steal the rig when she needs it for grafx design/illustration. I'm won't enter the AMDx6 vs Intel i7 for artsy stuff and tools

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Altho, the i5 may do the job, I rarely change my rig, so I was hoping for long lasting rig, than just a pay and play box. (the other reason is that gf are another source of sicking money. wanna get something that will last as long as my AMD 3600+ 7600GT that've been around for years)

I might be wrong, again, hey that is why I'm asking the great community of TPU! :rockout:

Thx,
HoboBob

JrRacinFan · Aug 16, 2010

HoboBob said:
Thx for the reply.

Altho, the i5 may do the job, I rarely change my rig, so I was hoping for long lasting rig, than just a pay and play box.

That's where I'm beleiving an AM3 socket based PC would come in handy. s1156/s1366 are pretty much already dead and no new procs for them AFAIK have been announced.

HoboBob · Aug 16, 2010

Sadness

Well, I dunno much about the AM3 because I've only read webby about i7 920-930

Keep in mind that I'm not looking to build the cheapest machine, I have around 1500$ to spend and that is what I was minded to pay. :eek:

For the i7, the 2nd gen of i7 will not be on the same socket or did they announce a new socket/cpu recently? I know they were talking about a 2nd wave, but it's more and more out of my league. So much to read, so little time...

AM3 would mean to fetch up new info and reviews and a new parts list for you guys to judge :laugh:

Thx again,
HoboBob

Dent1 · Aug 16, 2010

HoboBob said:
wanna get something that will last as long as my AMD 3600+ 7600GT that've been around for years

We can not make that promise and personally I wouldnt recommend keeping a computer for 6 years if you value any type of performance.

But for the best chance of having a rig lasting a long time is to shoot for a lasting platform, as JrRacinFan said socket AM3 is going to be around for a while and the Phenom II X6 has a lot of untapped potential so it'll only get better with time even if it doesnt initially look as impressive in today's benchmarks.

phanbuey · Aug 16, 2010

Phenoms are not great for gaming tho... Dont go AM3 for gaming, its a slower platform than even 1156 in that regard.

In any case. Your board and memory are where you can save the most $$. The MSI is way over the top and will not give you any better performance than x58 boards from ASUS and Gigabyte at 1/3 the price, also memory speed gives minimal benefits after 1600 CL 8. Then spend the cash you saved on a better gfx setup.

460 SLI is good but I personally prefer 1 GPU setups for performance. Something like a Zotac 480 AMP! with the custom cooling, overclocked will give you great, smoothe performance.

HoboBob · Aug 16, 2010

Awesome replies guys! :respect:

Changed some parts (not the 920 tho, will try to come up with an AMD rig tonight if it's worth it), altho I have mixed signals for the mobo:

MOBO = GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R SKT.1366
http://www.sohodiffusion.com/prod/14288/GIGABYTE-GA-X58A-UD3R-SKT-1366-INTL-X58-3-CHANNEL.html

CPU = INTEL CORE I7-920
http://www.sohodiffusion.com/prod/10807/INTEL-CORE-I7-920-QUAD-CORE-2-66GHZ-8MB-CACHE-LGA.html

RAM = KINGSTON KHX1600C7D3K3/6GX 6GB 1600MHz DDR3 Non-ECC CL7 (went lower with better timing)
http://www.sohodiffusion.com/prod/16705/KINGSTON-KHX1600C7D3K3-6GX-6GB-1600MHz-DDR3-Non-EC.html

GPU = GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX 460 FERMI 715MHZ 1GB (from another retailer tho)
http://www.sohodiffusion.com/prod/17268/GIGABYTE-GEFORCE-GTX-460-FERMI-715MHZ-1GB-GDDR5-2X.html

The Zotac GTX480 AMP! looks nice, but sure looks noisy. The rig would be in a medium size work room, and with the cpu cooling (from op) I dunno if it's a good idea... but I do understand your point PB. :ohwell:

Still trying to find a compatible PSU with the case and it must has 4 x 6 pin conectors for future SLI. Regarding the mono, the UD7 have so much praise that I thought the UD3R would be a cheaper version, what say you!?!

Thx,
HoboBob

Dent1 · Aug 16, 2010

phanbuey said:
Phenoms X6s are not great for gaming yet... Dont go AM3 for gaming, its a slower platform than even 1156 in that regard, at the moment

Fixed

phanbuey said:
In any case. Your board and memory are where you can save the most $$. The MSI is way over the top and will not give you any better performance than x58 boards from ASUS and Gigabyte at 1/3 the price, also memory speed gives minimal benefits after 1600 CL 8. Then spend the cash you saved on a better gfx setup.

I agree with you there, you'd be better off with a cheaper motherboard if it means diverting funds into a better CPU and/or video card.

HoboBob said:
For the i7, the 2nd gen of i7 will not be on the same socket or did they announce a new socket/cpu recently?a

I'm not sure how accurate this website's article is but apparently intel's new motherboard socket is around the corner.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/04/12/new-socket-to-replace-lga1366-due-in-2011/1

crazyeyesreaper · Aug 16, 2010

phanbuey said:
Phenoms are not great for gaming tho... Dont go AM3 for gaming, its a slower platform than even 1156 in that regard.

In any case. Your board and memory are where you can save the most $$. The MSI is way over the top and will not give you any better performance than x58 boards from ASUS and Gigabyte at 1/3 the price, also memory speed gives minimal benefits after 1600 CL 8. Then spend the cash you saved on a better gfx setup.

460 SLI is good but I personally prefer 1 GPU setups for performance. Something like a Zotac 480 AMP! with the custom cooling, overclocked will give you great, smoothe performance.

i do believe Core 2 Phenom II and i7 were compared and in 1 single gpu situations not a god damn 1 of the cpus was better then the other in 99% of games in dual gpu I7 had more grunt to push them

simply put higher frame rates are always good but notice 99% of the time the minimum frame rate is the same and in intense scenes its the frame rate that matters most and all cpus test pretty much give out the same results

i was trying to find the article that tested Phenom II vs Core2 vs Core i7 that was much more extensive but had no luck sadly

phanbuey · Aug 16, 2010

crazyeyesreaper said:
i do believe Core 2 Phenom II and i7 were compared and in 1 single gpu situations not a god damn 1 of the cpus was better then the other in 99% of games in dual gpu I7 had more grunt to push them

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Crysis_19.jpg
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/UT3_19.jpg
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/LP_19.jpg
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/HL2_19.jpg
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simply put higher frame rates are always good but notice 99% of the time the minimum frame rate is the same and in intense scenes its the frame rate that matters most and all cpus test pretty much give out the same results

i was trying to find the article that tested Phenom II vs Core2 vs Core i7 that was much more extensive but had no luck sadly

Yup - you're absolutely right... in reality you wouldnt see a any difference between CORE and Phenom.

My gf's rig is a lowly Athlon X4 at 3.5Ghz and it games no differently than my i5 750 with the GTX 260. Literally no difference that is visible to the naked eye.

HoboBob · Aug 16, 2010

1. The cheap i7 920 went fast at my supplier and seem out of stock for a while. I either wait for a 930 rig or maybe, wait some more for future price drop in the i7.

2. What makes the phenom x6 1090 slower for gaming? I'm at a loss when it comes to AM3, because I planned to go i7 920 and did not read anything regarding it's lil' brother.

3. The PSU question is still up and waiting

. Since the case is the Thermaltake Element G and it is a bottom PSU rack, what do you suggest for a 2 SLI gtx460?

Thx again,
(back from work, so I might have more questions regarding AM3 and all that jazz) :laugh:

HoboBob

Dent1 · Aug 17, 2010

HoboBob said:
2. What makes the phenom x6 1090 slower for gaming? I'm at a loss when it comes to AM3, because I planned to go i7 920 and did not read anything regarding it's lil' brother.

The Deneb or Thuban architecture of the Phenom II Series is core for core is slower than the i7's Nehalem architecture because the i7 has more cache, access to 2 threads per core and access to more memory bandwidth. The Phenom II X6 compensates with the two additional cores which help in multi threaded environments like encoding and rendering. But in single threaded or non 6 threaded environments like games the Phenom II X6 can not utilise those cores. However today's games are moving towards multi-threading so the Phenom II X6 gaming will only improve like a fine wine with time.

ebolamonkey3 · Aug 17, 2010

HoboBob said:
Awesome replies guys!

Changed some parts (not the 920 tho, will try to come up with an AMD rig tonight if it's worth it), altho I have mixed signals for the mobo:

MOBO = GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R SKT.1366
http://www.sohodiffusion.com/prod/14288/GIGABYTE-GA-X58A-UD3R-SKT-1366-INTL-X58-3-CHANNEL.html

CPU = INTEL CORE I7-920
http://www.sohodiffusion.com/prod/10807/INTEL-CORE-I7-920-QUAD-CORE-2-66GHZ-8MB-CACHE-LGA.html

RAM = KINGSTON KHX1600C7D3K3/6GX 6GB 1600MHz DDR3 Non-ECC CL7 (went lower with better timing)
http://www.sohodiffusion.com/prod/16705/KINGSTON-KHX1600C7D3K3-6GX-6GB-1600MHz-DDR3-Non-EC.html

GPU = GIGABYTE GEFORCE GTX 460 FERMI 715MHZ 1GB (from another retailer tho)
http://www.sohodiffusion.com/prod/17268/GIGABYTE-GEFORCE-GTX-460-FERMI-715MHZ-1GB-GDDR5-2X.html

The Zotac GTX480 AMP! looks nice, but sure looks noisy. The rig would be in a medium size work room, and with the cpu cooling (from op) I dunno if it's a good idea... but I do understand your point PB.

Still trying to find a compatible PSU with the case and it must has 4 x 6 pin conectors for future SLI. Regarding the mono, the UD7 have so much praise that I thought the UD3R would be a cheaper version, what say you!?!

Thx,
HoboBob

Great parts, that UD3R is an awesome mobo. The i7 920 is out of stock btw, don't see it listed on that website anymore.

As others have mentioned above, Core i7 (LGA1366 and LGA1156) and maybe even Core i5 will bench higher than AM3 in games, but you'd be hard pressed to find any difference in actual gaming, especially if you are going to overclock.

So if your sole purpose with this PC is to game, then buy either an AM3 quad black edition (or X6 1055T if it's not much more expensive) or a Core i5, whichever platform cost the least, and put the rest toward the graphic card or a SSD boot drive. I don't know about Canadian pricing, but the difference from switching mobo and buying 2 sticks of RAM vs 3 sticks should save you a good chunck. A Kingston 64gb SSD was down to $100 shipped on Newegg recently, so you might be able to squeeze one in, again I'm not familiar with Canadian pricing to be sure.

And actually, the Zotac GTX 480 AMP is supposed to be pretty quiet b/c the Zalman VF3000 cooler runs a lot quieter than the stock one. There's also a fan controller that comes with it and you can adjust fan speed for idle/load. Plus, lifetime warranty

Only thing I don't like about it is that it takes up 3 slots.

HoboBob · Aug 17, 2010

@eb3 Yeah, like I said my last post, they have no more i7 920, they usually have a lot of units, but they had two deals in the last week. 247$ and 257 for a 920, and they gone now!

@Dent1 Looking at the 1090T BE, it's sold for 295$ at my retailer and the 1055 is at 205$. My biggest issue with going AMD is the lack of good (Crosshair IV category) of mobo that supports nSLI. Duh, yeah but the main reason of the rig was to go 2SLI with a pair of 460, because the GF104 is cool, scale like hell and is not too power hungry... tears :cry:

If I go with AMD, I'll def. pick the CH IV, it looks so damn good. Altho, can any of you tell me if it would support a gtx480 (I so don't want a BBQ, but if I don't have the choice... :banghead:

). I'm really scared to go with ATI atm since the 6000 are soon to be launched and the fact that physx/cuda is more something that will come over, hence the purpose of the rig, for future games and not the one that are mainly released.

Thx again, have a great day, :cool:

HoboBob

Dent1 · Aug 17, 2010

HoboBob said:
@Dent1 Looking at the 1090T BE, it's sold for 295$ at my retailer and the 1055 is at 205$.

The 1055T sounds like the better deal, they're effectively the same processor except the 1090T has the unlocked multi, but the 1055T overclocks just as well.

HoboBob said:
My biggest issue with going AMD is the lack of good (Crosshair IV category) of mobo that supports nSLI. Duh, yeah but the main reason of the rig was to go 2SLI with a pair of 460, because the GF104 is cool, scale like hell and is not too power hungry... tears

You could CF the 5770 or 5750 now and then add another two 5770 or 5750 at a later date to make 4 video cards. This option will be much faster than a SLI'd GTX460 1GB whilst costing almost the same.

HoboBob said:
If I go with AMD, I'll def. pick the CH IV, it looks so damn good.

They are only good if you intend on running 3-4 video cards.

For regular crossfire you'd be better off with a standard 890 or 785G chipset for $100-$160 and using the money saved on something else.

HoboBob said:
Altho, can any of you tell me if it would support a gtx480 (I so don't want a BBQ, but if I don't have the choice... ).

The GTX 480 will work in any motherboard that has a PCIE slot so the CH IV will work fine. However you'd only be able to run only one Nvidia card and hence defeating the purpose of CrossfireX.

HoboBob said:
I'm really scared to go with ATI atm since the 6000 are soon to be launched and the fact that physx/cuda is more something that will come over, hence the purpose of the rig, for future games and not the one that are mainly released.

Phyx was dead before it began, its a marketing gimmick. The very few Phyx games work just as well on ATI cards. I wouldnt worry about the ATI 6000 series otherwise we'll never upgrade.

phanbuey · Aug 17, 2010

Dent1 said:
The 1055T sounds like the better deal, they're effectively the same processor except the 1090T has the unlocked multi, but the 1055T overclocks just as well.

You could CF the 5770 or 5750 now and then add another two 5770 or 5750 at a later date to make 4 video cards. This option will be much faster than a SLI'd GTX460 1GB whilst costing almost the same.

OK... really? 4 Videocards? Have you seen ATI's quadfire/trifire drivers? Tri/quadfire gets beaten by Crossfire about 40% of the time. So that would be one of the biggest wastes of money possible. Also a SLI 460 setup beats a CFx5870 setup due to ATI's drivers... and a trifire 5770 setup cant touch a cfx 5870 setup. so basically buying 4 5770's is a H U G E mistake.

The difference between a

i5 750 setup at 4GHz with 460 1gb OC SLI 750W Corsair TX and a Cheapo GigaByte board with 4-8GB of ddr3 1600

and a

i7 930 setup at 4ghz with 460 1gb OC sli 850W and a UD3 with 6GB of DDR3 1600 CL3 will be no more than 5%, with the same minimum FPS, in 99% of games today and tomorrow.

Both of these setups would be faster than an AMD X6 at gaming

Price is i5 <<< AMD << i7 - the whole time you're not looking at a noticeable difference with 460's in sli. Performance is AMD < i5 < i7.

Its your money, you're just paying way too much for the performance that you will ultimately get. You want to spend as little money as possible on CPU and Ram while maintaining decent spec, get a decent budget OCing board, a decent soundcard, and spend as much money as possible for GFX.

Dent1 · Aug 17, 2010

Whether the quadfire drivers work as intended is another matter, obviously crossfireX is a new concept which is only now becoming popular so it takes a while for ATI to mature the drivers, often reviewers are given video cards early so the drivers have not been established so the reviews are bound to be negative. But when CrossfireX works as intended it will blow SLI'd 460s out the water that is for sure.

Now personally I do not like the idea of running 4 video cards at all, crossfire is fine for most people. But frankly if the Crosshair MB is being used you may as well take advantage of its only credit.

phanbuey said:
Both of these setups would be faster than an AMD X6 at gaming in 2010

But the OP said he wanted this rig to last 6 full years like his old 7600GT/3600+. If the rig has to last that long wouldnt he be better losing a bit of gaming performance now if it means that 3+ years from now he still has a capable rig?

HoboBob · Aug 17, 2010

Thx to both of you for your great replies. :toast:

Although, it looks like we are in a pickle

Will try to sort things out during lunch, since I'm working atm :rockout:

Will be back later to add a better reply then this one

HoboBob

System Name	BSODGOD
Processor	AMD PHENOM II X6 1055T
Motherboard	ASUS M4N98TD Evo
Cooling	Thermaltake Frio
Memory	Corsair XMS3 Dominator 4GB
Video Card(s)	Gigabytes GTX460 1gb stock
Storage	SAMSUNG Spinpoint HD103SJ 1TB
Display(s)	Acer 24" S243HL LED
Case	Thermaltake Element G
Audio Device(s)	On Board VIA
Power Supply	Corsair 750w
Software	Win 7 Home Premium

System Name	BSODGOD
Processor	AMD PHENOM II X6 1055T
Motherboard	ASUS M4N98TD Evo
Cooling	Thermaltake Frio
Memory	Corsair XMS3 Dominator 4GB
Video Card(s)	Gigabytes GTX460 1gb stock
Storage	SAMSUNG Spinpoint HD103SJ 1TB
Display(s)	Acer 24" S243HL LED
Case	Thermaltake Element G
Audio Device(s)	On Board VIA
Power Supply	Corsair 750w
Software	Win 7 Home Premium

System Name	My baby
Processor	Athlon II X4 620 @ 3.5GHz, 1.45v, NB @ 2700Mhz, HT @ 2700Mhz - 24hr prime95 stable
Motherboard	Asus M4A785TD-V EVO
Cooling	Sonic Tower Rev 2 with 120mm Akasa attached, Akasa @ Front, Xilence Red Wing 120mm @ Rear
Memory	8 GB G.Skills 1600Mhz
Video Card(s)	ATI ASUS Crossfire 5850
Storage	Crucial MX100 SATA 2.5 SSD
Display(s)	Lenovo ThinkVision 27" (LEN P27h-10)
Case	Antec VSK 2000 Black Tower Case
Audio Device(s)	Onkyo TX-SR309 Receiver, 2x Kef Cresta 1, 1x Kef Center 20c
Power Supply	OCZ StealthXstream II 600w, 4x12v/18A, 80% efficiency.
Software	Windows 10 Professional 64-bit

System Name	BSODGOD
Processor	AMD PHENOM II X6 1055T
Motherboard	ASUS M4N98TD Evo
Cooling	Thermaltake Frio
Memory	Corsair XMS3 Dominator 4GB
Video Card(s)	Gigabytes GTX460 1gb stock
Storage	SAMSUNG Spinpoint HD103SJ 1TB
Display(s)	Acer 24" S243HL LED
Case	Thermaltake Element G
Audio Device(s)	On Board VIA
Power Supply	Corsair 750w
Software	Win 7 Home Premium

Processor	13700KF Undervolted @ 5.6/ 5.5, 4.8Ghz Ring 200W PL1
Motherboard	MSI 690-I PRO
Cooling	Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans
Memory	48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36
Video Card(s)	RTX 4090 FE
Storage	2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr
Display(s)	Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED
Case	SLIGER S620
Audio Device(s)	Yes
Power Supply	Corsair SF750
Mouse	Xlite V2
Keyboard	RoyalAxe
Software	Windows 11
Benchmark Scores	They're pretty good, nothing crazy.

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Processor	Ryzen 7900x3d : Ryzen 4600G
Motherboard	AsRock B650E Steel Legend : Giga B450i Aorus
Cooling	Custom Water 1x420 : Stock
Memory	32GB T-Force Deltas : 16GB Dominator Platinums
Video Card(s)	PowerColor 7900 XTX Liquid Devil: iGPU
Storage	20+ TB
Display(s)	Sammy 49" 5k Ultrawide
Case	Custom White Painted Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2
Audio Device(s)	Onboard : Onboard
Power Supply	EVGA 1200W P2
Mouse	Corsair M65 RGB Elite White
Keyboard	Hyperx Origins 65
Software	Windows 10

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Processor	Intel 8700K @ 4.8 GHz
Motherboard	MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon AC
Cooling	Custom Water
Memory	32 GB Crucial Ballistix 3666 MHz
Video Card(s)	MSI GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X
Storage	3x SSDs 2x HDDs
Display(s)	Dell U2412M + Samsung TA350
Case	Thermaltake Core P3 TG
Audio Device(s)	Samson Meteor Mic / Generic 2.1 / KRK KNS 6400 headset
Power Supply	Zalman EBT-1000
Mouse	Mionix NAOS 7000
Keyboard	Mionix

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Processor	Intel Core i7 920
Motherboard	Gigabyte X58A-UD5
Cooling	Corsair H50 with 2x Scythe GT AP-14
Memory	3x 2gb G.Skill 1600Mhz C9 DDR3
Video Card(s)	MSI Twin Frozr II GTX 465 GE & EVGA GTS 450 SC
Storage	2x 1Tb Samsung Sprinpoint F3 7200rpm
Display(s)	Dell U3011, Dell 2408WFP, Samsung 2693HM
Case	Lian Li V1020R
Audio Device(s)	Creative X-Fi Titanium
Power Supply	Seasonic X-750
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