Future Crossfire with internal bridge

Darksaber · Jun 12, 2006

ATI seems to go the same way as NVIDIA has done from the beginning. They will loose the dongle and go with an internal bridge to connect the two cards. VR-Zone has some very nice pictures of the ATi RV570 & RV560 using that internal bridge.

View at TechPowerUp Main Site

HLTP · Jun 12, 2006

wow!!!!!!

There has two *ross*ire bridge :cool:

but will the bandwidth associate with S*I many?

PVTCaboose1337 · Jun 12, 2006

ATI is behind on all this two card buisness... but thats ok, I can wait for crossfire to evolve and become as good as NVIDIA's... (mainly support, there are almost no crossfire AM2 board...)

Sasqui · Jun 12, 2006

PVTCaboose1337 said:
ATI is behind on all this two card buisness... but thats ok, I can wait for crossfire to evolve and become as good as NVIDIA's... (mainly support, there are almost no crossfire AM2 board...)

Ok, try running SLI on an intel board... NVidia doesn't allow it even though it's possible and has been done. Thier legal team even went after someone who modded thier drivers to enable it.

They also don't allow ATI CF to work on an NForce chipset.

In two words, "NVidia Sucks". They are forcing proprietary hardware compatibility in hopes to to make a buck and more marketshare. (IBM was famous for that) - I hope they lose.

And I'd rather have an internal bridge than external myself - they aren't changing much, just making it more seamless. The idea is not new.

newtekie1 · Jun 12, 2006

You do realize that there are Intel NForce4 SLI boards right, so you can run SLI on an Intel setup just fine.

ATI isn't any better. The Intel chipset that is "Crossfire Compatible" technically works with crossfire, only because Intel and ATI partnered up on it so they both could make a buck off it. Crossfire isn't platform independant either.

BigD6997 · Jun 12, 2006

whatever the cause it will help, i didnt think the donggle was to horrible, just kinda pointless, but al long as this stuff gets better its all good, i like ati better that nvidia and hope that there crossfire platform will improve, since its already performance wise good they just need to make it more stable and easyer with just two of the same cards

RickyG512 · Jun 12, 2006

ATI 4 life

warup89 · Jun 12, 2006

GO ati!; they should go more towards dongless crossfire for all the cards, that way they'll kick Nvidia's ass.

Sasqui · Jun 12, 2006

newtekie1 said:
You do realize that there are Intel NForce4 SLI boards right, so you can run SLI on an Intel setup just fine.

ATI isn't any better. The Intel chipset that is "Crossfire Compatible" technically works with crossfire, only because Intel and ATI partnered up on it so they both could make a buck off it. Crossfire isn't platform independant either.

You cannot run SLI on a board based on an Intel Chipset. Gigabyte and Abit even ship an SLI bridge with thier intel 975x based boards, but the bridge is useless when NVidia won't let it work, because they specifically wrote thier drivers to prevent it.

Oh did I mention that NVidia sucks?

newtekie1 · Jun 12, 2006

Sasqui said:
You cannot run SLI on a board based on an Intel Chipset. Gigabyte and Abit even ship an SLI bridge with thier intel 975x based boards, but the bridge is useless when NVidia won't let it work, because they specifically wrote thier drivers to prevent it.

Oh did I mention that NVidia sucks?

Hey guess what, ATI's drivers are written to prevent Crossfire on anything but their chipsets and the ones they partnered with Intel to make...So ATI is no better.

KennyT772 · Jun 12, 2006

m you my friend are wrong..and confused. crossfire will work on any chipset that supports it. its kinda hard to support crossfire on a compediters product when they write the chipset drivers to dissalow it.. as far as i know the reason sli doesnt run on ati chips is cuz 1 ati has very little knowledge on sli and 2 that info is closly garded by nvid...

newtekie1 · Jun 13, 2006

KennyT772 said:
m you my friend are wrong..and confused. crossfire will work on any chipset that supports it. its kinda hard to support crossfire on a compediters product when they write the chipset drivers to dissalow it.. as far as i know the reason sli doesnt run on ati chips is cuz 1 ati has very little knowledge on sli and 2 that info is closly garded by nvid...

The key point there is that the chipset has to support it, meaning ATI has to provide the info to allow the chipset to support it, which they only provide to Intel. Both technologies have the potential to completely ignore the chipset, and work no matter what as long as there are 2 PCI-E x8/16 slots. Yet neither will work on any motherboard that fulfills that requirements. They are both just as bad.

markkleb · Jun 13, 2006

PVTCaboose1337 said:
ATI is behind on all this two card buisness... but thats ok, I can wait for crossfire to evolve and become as good as NVIDIA's... (mainly support, there are almost no crossfire AM2 board...)

ATI behind? lol

check this out...(its a Conroe 2.93 w/X1900 Crossfire)
http://forums.pcpitstop.com/index.php?showtopic=119330

20119 in 3DMark05...( I thought my 5000 was cool)

Sasqui · Jun 13, 2006

newtekie1 said:
Hey guess what, ATI's drivers are written to prevent Crossfire on anything but their chipsets and the ones they partnered with Intel to make...So ATI is no better.

Wrong. Crossfire works fin on ATI's Chipset and Intel Chipsets. SLI only works on NVidia chipsets.

NVidia Sucks. Sorry to keep repeating myself.

newtekie1 · Jun 13, 2006

Sasqui said:
Wrong. Crossfire works fin on ATI's Chipset and Intel Chipsets. SLI only works on NVidia chipsets.

NVidia Sucks. Sorry to keep repeating myself.

Yes, because ATI and Intel <b>Partnered</b> to do it, again I am tired of repeating myself. ATI is just as bad as NVidia, they just partnered with Intel so crossfire would work on Intel chipsets as well as ATI chipsets. If Crossfire was any better then I woud be able to use it on an NForce board if I wanted too, or any board that had 2 PCI-E x8/16 slots, but I can't because ATIs drivers limit Crossfire to specific Intel Chipsets and their own Crossfire chipsets. You can't even use it with all the Intel chipsets, only the few that ATI allows though their partnership with Intel.

They both are not platform independent so they both suck...sorry to keep repeating myself, the fanboys can't seem to get it through their heads.

Sasqui · Jun 13, 2006

newtekie1 said:
Yes, because ATI and Intel <b>Partnered</b> to do it, again I am tired of repeating myself. ATI is just as bad as NVidia, they just partnered with Intel so crossfire would work on Intel chipsets as well as ATI chipsets. If Crossfire was any better then I woud be able to use it on an NForce board if I wanted too, or any board that had 2 PCI-E x8/16 slots, but I can't because ATIs drivers limit Crossfire to specific Intel Chipsets and their own Crossfire chipsets. You can't even use it with all the Intel chipsets, only the few that ATI allows though their partnership with Intel.

They both are not platform independent so they both suck...sorry to keep repeating myself, the fanboys can't seem to get it through their heads.

Newtekie1 - NVIDIA specifically DISABLES SLI on Intel Chipset Platforms (975x, 955x, 965?) in thier drivers. The hardware is fully capable of doing it, but NVIDIA won't enable it!!! ATI has done nothing like that. If so, an example would be helpful...

I think both companies have great technology, but NVIDIA has some downright crummy business tactics - and the customer suffers in the end.

Now I could understand if NVIDIA didn't support the ATI chipset, but why disable it on Intel chipsets? The really weird thing is that AMD is rumored to be buying ATI. :confused:

newtekie1 · Jun 13, 2006

Sasqui said:
Newtekie1 - NVIDIA specifically DISABLES SLI on Intel Chipset Platforms (975x, 955x, 965?) in thier drivers. The hardware is fully capable of doing it, but NVIDIA won't enable it!!! ATI has done nothing like that. If so, an example would be helpful...

I think both companies have great technology, but NVIDIA has some downright crummy business tactics - and the customer suffers in the end.

Now I could understand if NVIDIA didn't support the ATI chipset, but why disable it on Intel chipsets? The really weird thing is that AMD is rumored to be buying ATI.

And ATI specifically disables Crossfire on certain Intel chipset/platforms also! The only three chipset families they allow it on is the 975, 955, and 945. The 965, 915 are both fully capable of supporting and running 2 cards in Crossfire, but ATI does not allow it. The same is true with the SIS 656 chipset, and I am sure a few others. If ATI was any better then they would allow crossfire to run on ANY chipset that is capable of it(has 2 PCI-E x8/16 slots), but they don't they only limit crossfire to the few chipsets that they are partnered with Intel to use.

Both technologies are more then capable of being completely platform/chipset independent, but yet both companies choose to put limits on the chipsets that you can use. Both companies suck in that area.

Sasqui · Jun 13, 2006

newtekie1 said:
And ATI specifically disables Crossfire on certain Intel chipset/platforms also! The only three chipset families they allow it on is the 975, 955, and 945. The 965, 915 are both fully capable of supporting and running 2 cards in Crossfire, but ATI does not allow it.

Dude - You are grasping at straws... first, show me a 915 based board that has more than one PCIx16 slot... not to mention the 915 chipset was developed before SLI or CF was even announced!!! :laugh:

Second, the 965 board isn't even available yet! Where do you get your information?

newtekie1 · Jun 13, 2006

Sasqui said:
Dude - You are grasping at straws... first, show me a 915 based board that has more than one PCIx16 slot... not to mention the 915 chipset was developed before SLI or CF was even announced!!! Second, the 965 board isn't even available yet! Where do you get your information?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813170010

There, one of the many 915 boards with 2 PCI-E x16 slots. That board is more then capable of running 2 cards in crossfire, regardless of when the chipset came out all the technology needs to work is 2 PCI-E x16 slots, but it is ATI and NVidia that limit it to specific chipsets, they both do it and they both suck because of it.

I get my 965 infomation from experience. I have used and tested a 965 board, it will not run a crossfire setup because ATI won't support it.

I don't understand how you can be that dense. :banghead:

newtekie1 · Jun 13, 2006

Also here is a quote directly from Anandtech:

Much to our surprise, ATI recently informed all of the motherboard manufacturers that CrossFire is currently not supported on 965 (Broadwater) platforms.

They say it is because of a technical issue. I think it is because AMD is looking to buy them and it wouldn't really look that good for their Dual card solutions to continue to support Intel.

Sasqui · Jun 13, 2006

newtekie1 said:
Also here is a quote directly from Anandtech:

They say it is because of a technical issue. I think it is because AMD is looking to buy them and it wouldn't really look that good for their Dual card solutions to continue to support Intel.

Who knows, that may indeed be the case, but your are speculating and I have a hard time believing that you have a 965 based board... prove it.

And to say they could support Crossfire (or SLI :roll:

) on a platform (intel 915) that was developed before the two even existed is a joke! Yes, someone provided a dual PCIx board, but hey, windows supports multiple graphics. Maybe they could make it work with Crossfire, but would it be worth it? NVidia certainly wouldn't try.

Did you know that doling out insults is reserved for those who are intelligent enough to write good ones?

newtekie1 · Jun 13, 2006

Sasqui said:
Who knows, that may indeed be the case, but your are speculating and I have a hard time believing that you have a 965 based board... prove it.

And to say they could support Crossfire (or SLI ) on a platform (intel 915) that was developed before the two even existed is a joke! Yes, someone provided a dual PCIx board, but hey, windows supports multiple graphics. Maybe they could make it work with Crossfire, but would it be worth it? NVidia certainly wouldn't try.

Did you know that doling out insults is reserved for those who are intelligent enough to write good ones?

I'm not going to prove anything to you because I don't have to prove anything to you, besides that I was only given a short time to test it and didn't exactly think I should waste it taking screenshots and pictures to prove to some punk on some message board that I had it. Plus, there are several rebutable sources that back up my claims that the 965 chipset will not support crossfire.

As for the 915 debate, once again you are wrong. The fact that the 915 chipset was released before crossfire/SLI came out makes no difference. Besides that the 915 chipset and SLI came out within days of eachother. Also, the 915 does work just fine with SLI using the driver hacks that leaked onto the internet a few months ago, and I am sure that if similar hacks existed for Crossfire it would also work just fine with the 915 chipset since again both technologies have the potential to be chipset independent if ATI and NVidia would just remove the restrictions from their Drivers.

So once again, ATI is no better then NVidia, they both use their drivers to limit what chipsets their technology can be used on.

Sasqui · Jun 13, 2006

newtekie1 said:
I'm not going to prove anything to you because I don't have to prove anything to you, besides that I was only given a short time to test it and didn't exactly think I should waste it taking screenshots and pictures to prove to some punk on some message board that I had it. Plus, there are several rebutable sources that back up my claims that the 965 chipset will not support crossfire.

Man, you are totally FOS. Bluff called, cards folded.

And wow, I've been promoted to "punk" - that was even more clever than "dense".

newtekie1 · Jun 13, 2006

Sasqui said:
Man, you are totally FOS. Bluff called, cards folded.

And wow, I've been promoted to "punk" - that was even more clever than "dense".

Yeah right kid, you can't respond to anything else. Ignore the fact that several sources confirm my statements about the 965, or the fact that SLI runs just fine on a 915 board with the driver hack. Forget all that, lets focus on the fact that I can't actually prove I have used a 965 board...lets dwell on that because you can't think of anything to say about the actual relavent issues at hand.

You are the one that is FOS, not me.

Sasqui · Jun 13, 2006

newtekie1 said:
Yeah right kid

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