Whats the faster system?

hoax32 · Oct 11, 2010

Hi there!!!
Long time-no post!!!

Some of u may know, that i fried my old Athlon like 2 months ago!
Well anyways i collected some old hardware parts to build my new SYSTEM:

"THE HIGH-END LOW-END GAMING SYSTEM"

I want to know which System is faster for youtube/Games like GTA-SA/Wolfenstein ET/COD2

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SYSTEM NO.1:

CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2800+ 256kb L2
GPU: ATI Radeon 9800
RAM: 1GB SDRAM PC133
HDD: 40GB Samsung 7200rpm
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SYSTEM NO.2

CPU: Intel Pentium4 2.80GHz 512KB L2
GPU: NVidia GeForce4 MX440
RAM: 1GB DDR RAM PC2100
HDD: 80GB Samsung 5400rpm

EDIT: There is another choice:

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SYSTEM NO.3

CPU: Intel Celeron 2.6GHz
GPU: NVidia Geforce FX 5200
RAM: 512 DDR RAM Dual Channel
HDD: 120GB Western Digital 7200rpm

THX!!! :toast:

Kantastic · Oct 11, 2010

Don't hold me on this but I'm going to say #1 would be a good chunk snappier.

Mussels · Oct 11, 2010

both slow as crap, #1 has a far better video card (and by a HUGE margin), but #2 is a faster system.

1Kurgan1 · Oct 11, 2010

Yep, #1, I'm pretty sure the 2800+ was a bit faster, and the 9800 Pro also is a better card by a lot.

Mussels · Oct 11, 2010

you guys are missing a few things:

the 2800+ has SD-RAM, not DDR1 - and a 40GB HDD vs 80

1Kurgan1 · Oct 11, 2010

He's asking whats faster, size won't matter for HDD's, especially since the 40GB is 7200 vs 5400 for the 80gb, but do agree on the RAM, SD is a snail.

Mussels · Oct 11, 2010

1Kurgan1 said:
He's asking whats faster, size won't matter for HDD's, especially since the 40GB is 7200 vs 5400 for the 80gb, but do agree on the RAM, SD is a snail.

and 9800 vs MX440, the 440 is a snail (and has ZERO pixel shader support, vs the 9800 at least supporting SM2.0)

hoax32 · Oct 11, 2010

AWWW...!!!! So hard to decide!!!

!!!I ADDED ANOTHER CHIOCE!!!

The one sys this one, then the other one and one even said both!!!! :ohwell:

SO WHAT IS BETTER?

And by the way....im gonna run win xp prof 32bit on it!!!!

1Kurgan1 · Oct 11, 2010

Mussels said:
and 9800 vs MX440, the 440 is a snail (and has ZERO pixel shader support, vs the 9800 at least supporting SM2.0)

Yeah, the 9800 Pro was an awesome card, top of the line when it came out, where as the MX 440 was the mid ranged card.

Mussels · Oct 11, 2010

1Kurgan1 said:
Yeah, the 9800 Pro was an awesome card, top of the line when it came out, where as the MX 440 was the mid ranged card.

the MX440 was nvidias first rebadging.

Geforce 2: no pixel shaders, but hardware TnL
Geforce 3: Shader 1.3
Geforce 4 Ti: shader 1.4
Geforce 4 MX: rebadged Geforce 2, no shaders again.

even my media software these days uses shader 2.0 for video playback, so i'd really suggest getting that video card, even if its the inferior system.

those two systems just each have some large flaws.

HXL492 · Oct 11, 2010

The pentium 4 is extremely power hungry and hot

1Kurgan1 · Oct 11, 2010

Yeah I remember Marineborn had a 440 and it was garbage, bought it at Best Buy and he soon upgraded to his 9800 Pro (which I later bought), I had a Ti 4600 at the time, and really liked it for the price. But once he moved to an x850 I got his 9800, and since then kinda been on the Red Camp bandwagon.

Mussels · Oct 11, 2010

HXL492 said:
The pentium 4 is extremely power hungry and hot

no, they arent. that's an older socket 478 P4, which were colder than Athlon XP's of that era (pre barton)

i have two socket 478 P4's in the other room here in the machines i'm fixing, and they run passively on the stock coolers with the fan unplugged with zero issues.

Melvis · Oct 11, 2010

System 1 would be the best for the things you have asked to do with it (the 9800 is the fastest GPU there) and the AMD 2800+ is very similar in performance to the P4 2.8GHz thats why they called the AMD 2800+ as in 2800MHz speed equivalent to.

Only bummer is the RAM, but that wont make a huge difference.

hoax32 · Oct 11, 2010

I did not knew that the MX440 was such a flop!!!

Here are the 3 GPUs of each of my 3 Systems:

ATI RADEON 9800

GeForce4 MX 440

GeForce FX 5200

hat · Oct 11, 2010

#2, but with the gpu from #1

Melvis · Oct 11, 2010

hat said:
#2, but with the gpu from #1

Or 1 with the RAM from Number 2 (if mobo can handle it)

All in all if you can get them all with no issues or cost you can make one up from all systems to make one good one (depending on the mobo mostly). Like the HDD in rig 3 is the best, they all have there +'s and -'s.

hoax32 · Oct 11, 2010

Jop i got the 3D mark 2001 score for default settings:
(LOL All 3 System are standing in my room right now!!! Oh man my parents are gonna kill me when they get the monthly energy bill!!)

System 1:
4639

System 2:
3994

System 3:
4145

But like u all said:
No 1s RAM SUX
NO 2 has CRAPY GRAKA
no 3 has low RAM

Mussels · Oct 11, 2010

P4 system with 9800 would be quite good, IMO.

the 2Ghz P4's i've been playing with can actually handle 720p 'HD' media playback with minor tweaking, so it would even make an OK HTPC.

brandonwh64 · Oct 11, 2010

Take the 9800 out of the AMD pc and install it in the P4 PC and redo your 3dmark

hoax32 · Oct 11, 2010

Gonna try to run 3D Mark 2001 With the radeon 9800 in the P4 System:
(I just dont feal so well abou tit, bec ATI is more like for AMD systems and NVidia more for intel system)

brandonwh64 · Oct 11, 2010

hoax32 said:
Gonna try to run 3D Mark 2001 With the radeon 9800 in the P4 System:
(I just dont feal so well abou tit, bec ATI is more like for AMD systems and NVidia more for intel system)

That is not true

Melvis · Oct 11, 2010

hoax32 said:
Gonna try to run 3D Mark 2001 With the radeon 9800 in the P4 System:
(I just dont feal so well abou tit, bec ATI is more like for AMD systems and NVidia more for intel system)

Scores should be close i would think, maybe a little better on the P4 couse of ram, we will find out.

And no, back then it didn't realy matter if anything Nvidia might of ran better in an AMD system back then with the Nforce chipsets.

Mussels · Oct 11, 2010

hoax32 said:
Gonna try to run 3D Mark 2001 With the radeon 9800 in the P4 System:
(I just dont feal so well abou tit, bec ATI is more like for AMD systems and NVidia more for intel system)

what? thats one of the strangest things i've heard recently.

1Kurgan1 · Oct 11, 2010

brandonwh64 said:
That is not true

Its not true, but I get what he is saying and kind of feel the same. It's like putting a Ford Motor in a Chevy, or vise versa, since AMD/ATI are now one company. The performance might be awesome, but makes me feel like it's a bastard child.

System Name	MSI GF63 Thin
Processor	Intel® Core™ i5-10300H @4.50GHz
Motherboard	MSI GF63 Thin System Board
Cooling	MSI GF63 Thin Stock Cooling
Memory	8GB (1x 8GB) Hynix DDR4 2666MHz
Video Card(s)	NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Max-Q 4GB GDDR6 @1740MHz
Storage	KIOXIA 256GB NVMe SSD
Display(s)	MSI Optix G24C165Hz 1ms
Software	Windows 10 Pro 64bit

System Name	Dust Collector
Processor	AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
Motherboard	Asus B550I Aorus Pro WiFi AX
Cooling	Alpenfohn Black Ridge V2 w/ Noctua NF-A9x14
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4 3200MHz/CL16
Video Card(s)	Power Color Red Dragon RX 5700 XT
Storage	Samsung EVO+ 500GB NVMe
Display(s)	Dell S2721DGF
Case	Dan Case A4
Power Supply	Corsair SF600 Platinum
Mouse	Logitech G603
Keyboard	Logitech G613

System Name	Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor	Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard	Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling	Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory	2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s)	Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage	2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s)	Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) \| Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) \| Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case	Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s)	Logitech G560 \| Corsair Void pro RGB \|Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply	Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse	Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD	Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software	Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores	Nyooom.

System Name	My Comp \| Fiancees Comp
Processor	i7 5820k @ 4.6Ghz 1.285v\| i5 2500k
Motherboard	MSI x99 SLI Plus \| AsRock Z77 Pro 3
Cooling	Watercooled
Memory	16GB DDR4 2400 @ 2666 \| 12GB DDR3 1600
Video Card(s)	AMD R9 290x \| MSI 5850 OC
Storage	128gb SSD + 2x 2TB \| 2TB
Display(s)	Asus 27" LCD \| 25" Hanns G
Case	CM Storm \| CM Elite 430
Audio Device(s)	Creative Recon 3D PCIe
Power Supply	Enermax Galaxy 1250W \| Rosewill 630w
Mouse	Logitech G700s \| Logitech G100s
Keyboard	Logitech G901 \| Logitech G105
Software	Win 8.1 Ultimate x64 \| Win 8.1 Ultimate x64
Benchmark Scores	3D Mark - Fire Strike Extreme - 4403

System Name	Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor	Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard	Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling	Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory	2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s)	Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage	2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s)	Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) \| Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) \| Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case	Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s)	Logitech G560 \| Corsair Void pro RGB \|Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply	Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse	Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD	Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software	Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores	Nyooom.

System Name	Vika
Processor	Intel Core i3 2100
Motherboard	Asus P8Z68-V Gen 3
Cooling	Stock Intel
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws X 8GB DDR3
Video Card(s)	HIS IceQ X Radeon HD 7970 @ 1100/1550
Storage	Crucial M4 SSD 64GB, Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
Display(s)	Viewsonic VX2453MH-LED 23.6in LED
Case	Fractal Design Arc Midi
Audio Device(s)	Asus Xonar DG
Power Supply	Antec HCG 620W
Software	Windows 7 Premium 64bit

System Name	Night Rider \| Mini LAN PC \| Workhorse
Processor	AMD R7 5800X3D \| Ryzen 1600X \| i7 970
Motherboard	MSi AM4 Pro Carbon \| GA- \| Gigabyte EX58-UD5
Cooling	Noctua U9S Twin Fan\| Stock Cooler, Copper Core)\| Big shairkan B
Memory	2x8GB DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws 3600MHz\| 2x8GB Corsair 3000 \| 6x2GB DDR3 1300 Corsair
Video Card(s)	MSI AMD 6750XT \| 6500XT \| MSI RX 580 8GB
Storage	1TB WD Black NVME / 250GB SSD /2TB WD Black \| 500GB SSD WD, 2x1TB, 1x750 \| WD 500 SSD/Seagate 320
Display(s)	LG 27" 1440P\| Samsung 20" S20C300L/DELL 15" \| 22" DELL/19"DELL
Case	LIAN LI PC-18 \| Mini ATX Case (custom) \| Atrix C4 9001
Audio Device(s)	Onboard \| Onbaord \| Onboard
Power Supply	Silverstone 850 \| Silverstone Mini 450W \| Corsair CX-750
Mouse	Coolermaster Pro \| Rapoo V900 \| Gigabyte 6850X
Keyboard	MAX Keyboard Nighthawk X8 \| Creative Fatal1ty eluminx \| Some POS Logitech
Software	Windows 10 Pro 64 \| Windows 10 Pro 64 \| Windows 7 Pro 64/Windows 10 Home

System Name	Starlifter :: Dragonfly
Processor	i7 2600k 4.4GHz :: i5 10400
Motherboard	ASUS P8P67 Pro :: ASUS Prime H570-Plus
Cooling	Cryorig M9 :: Stock
Memory	4x4GB DDR3 2133 :: 2x8GB DDR4 2400
Video Card(s)	PNY GTX1070 :: Integrated UHD 630
Storage	Crucial MX500 1TB, 2x1TB Seagate RAID 0 :: Mushkin Enhanced 60GB SSD, 3x4TB Seagate HDD RAID5
Display(s)	Onn 165hz 1080p :: Acer 1080p
Case	Antec SOHO 1030B :: Old White Full Tower
Audio Device(s)	Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro - Bose Companion 2 Series III :: None
Power Supply	FSP Hydro GE 550w :: EVGA Supernova 550
Software	Windows 10 Pro - Plex Server on Dragonfly
Benchmark Scores	>9000

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