NVIDIA forums: people get banned over 8800 & XP64 issue

[tdbone1]

note: i copied and pasted this from a thread i created on a compltely different site but i felt this is important for all you readers

hey all:
im about offended with the ppl who run the forums at http://forums.nvidia.com
i been coming here for quite along time (look at my posts) ive never been warned one time AND never been banned here.

i got some really riveting news for all you ppl who like winxp x64 (and im not making this up)
i got into a heated discussion over there about how my $650.00 8800GTX dont even work with xp x64 when every other card they have has...
and basically their mods "Brian_S and Chris_Ray" are saying since less then 1% of ppl who use xp64 we just arent that important
he compared xp x64 to linux crowd

i told him alot of ppl that run xp x64 run the latest hardware and basically.....
omg you just have to see it to believe it
ive seen like 30ppl get banned over there just this morning

this is OS related cause they are saying that we arent important (xp x64)
now technically they do not work for nviidia but it is nvidias forum and nvidia does apoint the mods there.

when is the last time you seen a mod with a sig that says "refrence 7950gx2" when everything else in his sig has the actual brand name (that would be Brian_S)
now they are deleteing threads and posts left and right basiacally saying the reason why nvidia isnt making the xp x64 drivers a high priority is because nobody uses it
i cant get back on their board to get you links cause i am banned (not for language or for flamming but because) i agreed with another poster saying that nvidia could have a class action lawsuit on their hands from false advertisement
actually alot of ppl are saying THAT very same thing but the posts and threads are getting deleted and posters getting banned before hardly anyone can even read the thread

anyhow this guys point was is that it says compatible with DX10 (right on the video card box) but under system requirements it says winxp 32bit
last time i checked DX10 means vista and winxp = DX9.0
anyhow you just got to see it for your selves
note: nvidia also shut down there customer feesback site (under construction)
im telling you alot of ppl are freaking mad (you got to see this)
make a post your self and see what happens
dont even talk about vista (the real hot topic) just talk about xp x64 and see what happens

[Sasqui]

Intersting - thier site seems to be down... even went to it through Google with same results.

[W1zzard]

please use meaningful thread titles. i changed your title and you can bet it will draw more attention that way

[DIBL]

That's a sad story -- no one who paid $650 for a video card should be called "unimportant" by the manufacturer (or anyone else). "Compared x64 to the Linux crowd ..." now THAT really hurts!

But, if you ever attempted to build a current-technology Linux box using an ATI video card, like I just did, you will have learned Linux Graphics Rule #1 -- get an Nvidia! In other words, if you think Nvidia's support commitment is a little shaky, try the other side of the street and discover a real black hole.

My other observation is, mentioning lawsuits is always a real wet blanket on the party.

That's my two cents' worth -- sorry it's not totally sympathetic.

[tdbone1]

Originally Posted by W1zzard

please use meaningful thread titles. i changed your title and you can bet it will draw more attention that way

thanks for changing it your right that will get alot more attn
and they must have just took that site down
im telling ya it has been heated in there for past 3 days
when i say i seen 30 ppl get banned just today i not joking
this is thE WORST forum (nvidias) i have ever seen

man i miss my ATI
wtf am i going to do now???
i can take this vcard back but i dont want to have to wait for a long time for the R600 (thats prob at least 2months out)

what got me in trouble over at their forums (not banned yet) but i started a thread titled "the resistor or the driver" which came first
i had prob 10 ppl that got on that band wagon (and was with me on it) and next thing i know im getting warnings in my emails
nothing vulger or flaming anyone
just letting off a little steam mixed with comedy
well their site being down (the forums) and also there customer feedback site says "under construction" i was thinking bout calling nvidia today but i know my cheap cordless phones batt wont make it through the wait

[DaMulta]

Around mid January the r600 should be released.

[Shyska]

Making such a censorship over threads that could warn future users is way too lame...

I don't think that NVidia isn't supporting their drivers, in fact I have a good feeling toward their support. But if they are doing a misleading advertisement comain, they should at least let unsatistied consumers complain...

[tdbone1]

Originally Posted by Shyska

Making such a censorship over threads that could warn future users is way too lame...

I don't think that NVidia isn't supporting their drivers, in fact I have a good feeling toward their support. But if they are doing a misleading advertisement comain, they should at least let unsatistied consumers complain...

exactly!

i have a newegg acct
and right under the BFG 8800GTS look at that customer review
its me (tdbone1)
but i really want to hear a statement from nvidia on this. (or maybe we just did) they just shut down that board...is that the statement they are really sending us 8800 ppl?
this thing is going back....you know what i dont even think i have ever had to goto an ATI msg board (official) ive had small probs but never nothing like this
mostly if i goto an ati board it is here (i know this board isnt strictly ati but i think it was born on ati) and when i come here its to get more perf out of my card not complain cause it dont do what i paid for it to do
i really cant believe nvidia has done this
i mean how long has nviida been know for there drivers (i mean how long has ppl who owned nvidia talked bad about ati driver team)
forever!
and now look nvidia driver team (well prob really not there fault) this has to do with marketing team that launched this product just a little to early (dont forget it came out right before black friday) they didnt care who they were gonna get mad they just put it out there to get $$$$ and beat ati to the punchline too
i bet ATI is just sitting back laughing their butts off
btw i kind of wrote a little letter to anandtech too....some of our sites we goto for trusted reviews never said a word about this.
i asked anandtech reviewer why they didnt warn there loyal fan base of the card not supporting anything but xp x86...i asked if they had to sign an NDA that said they couldnt mention that
not only anandtech but tomshardware and firingsquad and many more never mentioned one time that there are absolutely no vista drivers avail and winxp x64 drivers is mangled and the xp x86 driver works but with many artifacts is games
i seen a screenshot thread (of x86 users) of the games they were having problems with and it was over 3 pages of game screens in the first day
cant remember the link
damn i need to go chill out somewhere
i cant even play a dang game to relax

[pt]

should i say f^ck nvidia, and go back to ati?

[Canuto]

Nah, just say it's a retarded forum and go home

[tdbone1]

man i got to figure out what i can do?
do i take this card back and get an x1950xtx or do i hold on to this one as long as i can and change it out for the 8800gtx and hold onto that one as long as i can (and hope the R600 comes out before my return policy finishes)

[DOM]

i would take it back and get a cheap Ati and when the New cards come out get a good one but if you got the $ to get a 1950 and get a new R600 go for it

[Sasqui]

Well, if they don't support x64 and you aren't willing to run x32 windows... you do the math.

In any industry, there are marketing and development priorities - the resources go towards the money. Perhaps they will write drivers at some point.

Anyway, moderators sometimes can get a little carried away. Let people vent - you can't make a good product without listening to complaints.

[tdbone1]

yea i understand about a company having deadlines and wanting to get a product on the shelves but NVIDIA was down right sneaky this time

look...on the video card box it says
DX 10
winxp 32bit

in case you missed it those 2 things do not mix

winxp = DX 9.0
DX 10.0 = vista

you cant have both

[Zedicus]

slightly off topic, but im a ATI/LINUX user and hav to say, ive had FAR more problems with nvidia driver in linux then ATI's. AND ATI also actually helps the open source comunity develope an open source driver for older cards, i know that they dont offer full open source support but a lot of this is due to copyrights/ patents and the likes. nvidia does nothing like this, and while some say the invidia linux driver is 'more user friendly' i can hav the ati driver set up an fully funtional in a few minutes after the linux install is done.

[ATIonion]

this is why i wont buy a first gen Dx10 card.....wait till the bugs are gone....Its not like Dx10 will only be around for a year, it will be out for a while before replacement so there is plenty of time to buy and enjoy the dx10 and vista to the fullest....

[Sasqui]

Originally Posted by tdbone1

yea i understand about a company having deadlines and wanting to get a product on the shelves but NVIDIA was down right sneaky this time

look...on the video card box it says
DX 10
winxp 32bit

in case you missed it those 2 things do not mix

winxp = DX 9.0
DX 10.0 = vista

you cant have both

Actually, you can. Write drivers that provide layers to both. DX9 cards cannot take advantage of the DX10 functions, but the reverse is true, which is how MS plans selling vista to those already owning a decent DX9 video card. And hell, NVida wouldn't be selling any 8800 video cards right now if it didn't work with DX9.

My guess is that they just simply did not invest in writing dirvers for the x64 XP OS. Yea, it's frustrating.

[bruins004]

I agree with what was said before.
In the beginning you cannot support everything at once.
So you go with what the majority of people have.
And that would be Win XP 32 bit version.

Think about it like this.
How long did it take Microsoft to fix Windows 64 bit version.
There are still bugs with it.
I remember, one of my friends had this running with 2GB of RAM.
When he ended a big process, the RAM wouldnt re-allocated lol.
So pretty much it didnt end the process in the back end.

This esp. happens when there currently is not competition.
You might see this happen later on when ATI comes out with drivers.
But right now it isnt a priority.

Oh yea and you posted a very similar topic before so you could of have just added to that one.
Please refrain from posting similar issues.
And stop complaining.
IT HAPPENS WITH ALL NEW TECHNOLOGIES....THERE ARE BUGS IN THE BEGINNING....the end

[DRDNA]

no way not NVIDIA how can this be? what will i do now

Dude I think it really is a raw deal about the forum banning you !!!!!! Just remember who your moderator friends are !!!!! Your moderator friends are right here @PowerUp .....They wouldn't ban you for such things as the NVIDIA Forum did and actually wasn't it a moderator that helped the title of the post ? Well the proof is in the pudding and PowerUp is the proof and the pudding...Man you need to stay right here where the real action is And you already know this may be ATI majority but we LOVE are NVIDIA brethren and there is a plenty of NVIDIA support to be had right here.....Lots and lots of folks here with good sound advise...So please do not go back to the NVIDIA forum to be abused , just stay with us and spread your knowledge cuz brother let me tell ya some thing "Its all about the spread of knowledge and helping each other out".

Now if I were you I would keep that rocking 8800 and lay down a copy of XP32 and enjoy that monstrous card !!! !!!

[tdbone1]

Originally Posted by DRDNA

support to be had right here.....Lots and lots of folks here with good sound advise...So please do not go back to the NVIDIA forum to be abused , just stay with us and spread your knowledge cuz brother let me tell ya some thing "Its all about the spread of knowledge and helping each other out".

sounds great to me

yea that is actually the first time ive ever had a moderator help me make my topic sound better
i was worried when i made it that i might get in trouble for saying what i said...when i came back to look to see if anyone had made any posts and seen the msg the mod sent me and then looked at the topic i was like
No Freaking Way
this is too cool
yea (looks like nvidia made a format statement in their forcware drivers stickies) says no drivers till next month for x64 and no drivers for vista until release) so the boards have kind of just went cold over there (i imagine lots of ppl will be returning their pdorducs real seeon)
btw when they say next month it dont sound like they are talking in a few days.
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showforum=33 <<< look at very top sticky

[randomperson21]

just a quick question: why whine that nvidia's drivers are buggy under x64 if nvidia doesn't even HAVE x64 drivers???? if you want a dx10 card, you are going to have to use win32. no ifs, ands, or buts. If you're using 1st gen technologies, you are going to have to make some sacrifices. like somebody said earlier, you can't support everything, you have to try to support the majority.

now, i do feel pretty sympathetic about the whole banning situation. it sounds like it got way out of hand. glad that forum got shut down.

quick chime-in about the nvidia/ati under linux:

su
yum update
yum install kmod-nvidia
and presto! full ogl hw accel for linux!

[wazzledoozle]

Wow you need to learn to use some punctuation when you write things, it is difficult to wade through your ramblings without it.

About the whole Nvidia/XP64 issue, thats pretty lame. But flaming them for no support when the product is new is a bit over the top, you are using an OS with a very small installed user base, Nvidia is probably still working out the bugs for XP 32 bit. Banning you from their forums was probably not necessary, but I suspect you have left out some details (spamming complaint threads?).

[tdbone1]

Originally Posted by wazzledoozle

Wow you need to learn to use some punctuation when you write things, it is difficult to wade through your ramblings without it.

About the whole Nvidia/XP64 issue, thats pretty lame. But flaming them for no support when the product is new is a bit over the top, you are using an OS with a very small installed user base, Nvidia is probably still working out the bugs for XP 32 bit. Banning you from their forums was probably not necessary, but I suspect you have left out some details (spamming complaint threads?).

im sorry my grammar is really really bad
is there a spellchecker i can use that works when you type in web pages forums?

i been using winxp x64 for years straight (you all need to switch over) nvidia dropped the ball on this one
you cant act like x64 is new anymore (every vender has drivers for it that have worked great for the last year)
check some benchmarks they are always really close (x64 compared to x86) x64 being usually a little bit slower in gaming but a whole lot faster compressing almost anything (decoding and encoding)
i wouldnt say it if i hadnt been using it solid for 2 years
BOTH ati and nvidia have had solid video card drivers out for winxp x64 for over a year (solid as a rock)
it is expected that when every nvidia video card out runs winxp x64 flawless that a new card that they offer (that says first DX10 and vista ready) should also naturally support winxp x64
look even the nvidia 7950GX2 works fine in xp x64
and if the new 8800 series video card didnt support winxp x64 then they should have said something (even a review site)
winxp x64 is not new (same for linux x64) nvidia and ati have had x64 graphics drivers that have worked great for long time in opengl (well...ati hasnt had as great as drivers as long as nvidia has) BUT ati works just fine for the last year
look on nvidia and ati sites and you will see there are x64 drivers for linux x64, windows x64 and vista x64
even right now the nvidia linux x64 driver for 8800 series works fine
so with everything supported in all x64 OS`s then one would naturally think this 8800 series would be too
if you look on the 8800 video card box it dont say anything about linux x86 or x64 but there is a driver that works just fine for em
and if anyone knows anything about drivers (linux is usually last to get caught up with current windows driver versions)
this odd ball time linux has it first
btw look at this
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11..._spied_on_web/
late january
ok i got this card a few days ago...that gives me 18 more days to take it back....that puts me at "DEC16th" now at this time ill exchange it for GTX which is $100 more (no prob ill pay it) now from DEC16th + 21 days for the new return puts me at JAN7th
damn i would still be with out a video card for at least 3 weeks if i returned it
i might just have to get the GTX and stay with it because of timing issues and cant be without a vcard that long (3weeks at the minimum)
hmmm got to think
anyone have any info on the R600 specs?
that is kind of current and reliable

go here
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
then copy and paste this "http://vga.zol.com.cn/46/468342.html?www.reghardware.co.uk" into "Translate a Web page"
damn that is a perty looking chip

[tkpenalty]

pfft... nVidia are surely losing it.... -_-

[Zubasa]

Good Job Nvidia Noobs.