Bigfoot Networks KillerNIC M1 - Page 2

HellasVagabond · 06-19-2007, 05:57 PM

Aint worth 250 bucks to see a 5-10% increase in Games...In that case go grab a better GPU

JacKz5o · 06-19-2007, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HellasVagabond

Aint worth 250 bucks to see a 5-10% increase in Games...In that case go grab a better GPU

Or upgrade your internet connection for a year

KennyT772 · 06-19-2007, 06:41 PM

I think you should go back and test at the graphical settings you play at Frederik. At 1600x1200+ there is no way possible you are going to get 10-15 % higher fps in todays games.

I vote you do follow up at settings you or I would actually play at and on servers that average about 100ms minimum with the onboard. Once you find a server like that (prolly in the US) redo your testing. These numbers mean nothing to me.

JacKz5o · 06-19-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KennyT772

I think you should go back and test at the graphical settings you play at Frederik. At 1600x1200+ there is no way possible you are going to get 10-15 % higher fps in todays games.

I vote you do follow up at settings you or I would actually play at and on servers that average about 100ms minimum with the onboard. Once you find a server like that (prolly in the US) redo your testing. These numbers mean nothing to me.

Well it is definitely possible for a 10-15% increase in CS:S because its purely CPU limited, so that might be pretty accurate. Sound cards increase FPS too in most games.

But I do agree with you on the 100ms testing. You can't really test how the card performs if you already get a perfect/almost perfect ping with a 100mbit connection

Dippyskoodlez · 06-19-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JacKz5o

Well it is definitely possible for a 10-15% increase in CS:S because its purely CPU limited, so that might be pretty accurate. Sound cards increase FPS too in most games.

But I do agree with you on the 100ms testing. You can't really test how the card performs if you already get a perfect/almost perfect ping with a 100mbit connection

That doesn't make sense.

If you add in a network bottleneck you will see that it doesn't make a difference, or less of a difference.

This is about seeing if the card actually provides increases, not if the end user will see an increase.

End user connections will vary enough that its really senseless to do a "real" test like that. Theres too many variables in a connection.

If the card is really /that/ good, it should provide a boost where that card is the bottleneck.

If it doesn't, all other tests will follow suit.

HellasVagabond · 06-19-2007, 07:16 PM

Guys bottom line is that this card DOES make a difference but not enough to excuse 250 bucks...If it was 50-60-70 bucks sure why not but 250 bucks ? No wonder the company wont live long :P

segomo · 09-21-2007, 06:55 PM

I've had one of the KillerNIC M1 network cards for a couple of months now, and it had made a big difference to the games that I play.

The most noticable is WOW. The FPS and PING have stablaised at 48fps and a ping time of around 88 constant, even in cities like SW and IF! before the KillerNIC they would the both fps and ping would have been doubled and even more in IF AH.

Others include:
Vanguard is now actually playable!
LOTRO now has no lag noticable, before if I got anywhere near a player it would jerk around!
GW saw a marked FPS increase.

I'ts amazing what a network card can do! I highly recommend one!

My system:

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
Corsair 2GB DDR2 XMS2-5400C4 TwinX (2x1GB)
Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA (Socket AM2) AGP DDR2 Motherboard
NVIDA GeForce 6800 GS 512MB (450/1200) (old but a real contender!)
KillerNIC M1 400Mhz Network Card
8mb ADSL connection (running at about 6mb )

HellasVagabond · 09-21-2007, 07:15 PM

Sounds like an advertisement to me.....
Either way what happens when mobos get only Pciex slots and not PCI ? Throw out the window 250euros and get the newest Killer card ? Dont think so...

tigger · 09-21-2007, 07:52 PM

pointless waste of money.and you ^^ we dont want your ads here thx.

Polaris573 · 09-21-2007, 07:56 PM

It is not an advertisement, it looks to me like he just wants to share what he thinks of the card. Undoubtedly he found the site when he was looking for reviews. There is no need to be hostile to new members that want to share their experiences. That is, after all, one of the main points of these forums. Please discuss the card instead of scaring away potential new members just because they disagree with your opinion.

segomo · 09-21-2007, 09:00 PM

thnx Polaris, I just wanted to put a positive spin on the product as its had alot of bad press by people who don't know what it can do, it would appear.

Buy it, don't buy it. Thats up to you but if you thought something was good, or bad, wouldn't you want people to hear you opinion?

thnx for the warm welcome btw.

HellasVagabond · 09-21-2007, 09:05 PM

Its just "weird" that your first post is to "support" this product.
If you were to find 100 reviews in sites like this you would be so kind to post into every site just to "help" everyone ? It doesnt add up for me but thats my point of view.

And nobody said that the card doesnt help gaming. It just doesnt help that much to support the 180pounds ( 250euros ) price that it has. If it was 100euros i would buy it for sure.

segomo · 09-21-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JacKz5o

Nice but umm..

The lowest ping you can have in CS:S is 5... try playing and testing the Killer NIC over internet gameplay instead of LAN.

btw. as it states on their website its main function is to reduce the strain on the CPU which will help increase FPS and reduce LAG rather than seing a reduced PING time. Whatever you do to your pc, the quality and speed of the miles or metres of wire between you and the server cannot be affected!

segomo · 09-21-2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HellasVagabond

Its just "weird" that your first post is to "support" this product.

??

Sorry I didnt notice I joined the negative slaters forum.

HellasVagabond · 09-21-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by segomo

??

Sorry I didnt notice I joined the negative slaters forum.

Thats one hell of a way for someone to switch focus to someone else instead of him......
However i think i am entitled to my opinion and it doesnt reflect to the entire forum.

bassmasta · 09-21-2007, 09:26 PM

these kick ass. and actually, most servers in css keep you above five for whatever reason. i have seen a ping of 1 before. and app mode should be turned on when you leave games so that you can browse at the same speeds.

segomo · 09-21-2007, 09:28 PM

... anyway anyone else actually got one? would like to know if anyone else had seen improvements, if any, in games. It seems to affect MMORPG's more.

Polaris573 · 09-21-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HellasVagabond

Its just "weird" that your first post is to "support" this product.
If you were to find 100 reviews in sites like this you would be so kind to post into every site just to "help" everyone ? It doesnt add up for me but thats my point of view.

And nobody said that the card doesnt help gaming. It just doesnt help that much to support the 180pounds ( 250euros ) price that it has. If it was 100euros i would buy it for sure.

Who are you to question the way someone finds a forum? Since this thread cannot be closed as it is discussing a review, and I already given a warning, everyone who does not stay on topic will receive an infraction. There is a report post button for suspicious posts for a reason, please feel free to use it instead of insulting members.

HellasVagabond · 09-21-2007, 10:15 PM

Posting my opinion is called an insult ? I must be living in another Galaxy then......

Polaris573 · 09-21-2007, 10:20 PM

Obviously your infraction was for insulting a member and inciting argument, not your opinion on the card. If you have a problem with an infraction send me or another moderator a PM and do not post it in the thread.

Murasame · 09-21-2007, 10:50 PM

I was thinking about getting one of these sine I'm an avid wow raider. I hear it really helps in wow, but I haven't been able to find anyone who owns one and raids in wow. Would love to see how it helps for 25man raids or maybe, just battle grounds. The price though is just killing me. This thing cost as much as the HD2900pro is speculated at.

tater · 09-22-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bret

Why did u measure FPS?

And ur ping is 5ms?? My ping never gets below 250ms in any game.. maybe u dont need that
thing.

You dont seem to understand.. The lower the ping the better. 5ms is rather good. 250 is like watching grass grow.

bassmasta · 09-22-2007, 03:41 AM

whoa, 250 ms? in css, you wouldn't notice, but i get irritated after 100

tater · 09-22-2007, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bassmasta

whoa, 250 ms? in css, you wouldn't notice, but i get irritated after 100

no kidding. I run on an american server around 10ms - 60ms (3mbps down, 384kbps up. soon to upgrade to 6mbps down, 512kbps up

)

hat · 09-22-2007, 05:50 AM

It just is not worth the money. Take that money, cram it into your savings for a new computer. If a Killer NIC gives you that much of a performance boost you're in need of a new PC

06-19-2007, 05:57 PM	#26
HellasVagabond Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens , GREECE Posts: 2,635 (2.54/day) Thanks: 10 Thanked 163 Times in 135 Posts System Specs	Aint worth 250 bucks to see a 5-10% increase in Games...In that case go grab a better GPU __________________ Guides For GPU Power Users (Sometimes its Good to pay tribute to some people instead of copy pasting their guides.)

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06-19-2007, 06:41 PM	#28
KennyT772 Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Houghton, Mi - Michigan Tech Posts: 2,930 (2.05/day) Thanks: 19 Thanked 101 Times in 96 Posts System Specs	I think you should go back and test at the graphical settings you play at Frederik. At 1600x1200+ there is no way possible you are going to get 10-15 % higher fps in todays games. I vote you do follow up at settings you or I would actually play at and on servers that average about 100ms minimum with the onboard. Once you find a server like that (prolly in the US) redo your testing. These numbers mean nothing to me. __________________ Xfire Heatware

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06-19-2007, 07:16 PM	#31
HellasVagabond Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens , GREECE Posts: 2,635 (2.54/day) Thanks: 10 Thanked 163 Times in 135 Posts System Specs	Guys bottom line is that this card DOES make a difference but not enough to excuse 250 bucks...If it was 50-60-70 bucks sure why not but 250 bucks ? No wonder the company wont live long :P __________________ Guides For GPU Power Users (Sometimes its Good to pay tribute to some people instead of copy pasting their guides.)

09-21-2007, 06:55 PM	#32
segomo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I've had one of the KillerNIC M1 network cards for a couple of months now, and it had made a big difference to the games that I play. The most noticable is WOW. The FPS and PING have stablaised at 48fps and a ping time of around 88 constant, even in cities like SW and IF! before the KillerNIC they would the both fps and ping would have been doubled and even more in IF AH. Others include: Vanguard is now actually playable! LOTRO now has no lag noticable, before if I got anywhere near a player it would jerk around! GW saw a marked FPS increase. I'ts amazing what a network card can do! I highly recommend one! My system: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ Corsair 2GB DDR2 XMS2-5400C4 TwinX (2x1GB) Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA (Socket AM2) AGP DDR2 Motherboard NVIDA GeForce 6800 GS 512MB (450/1200) (old but a real contender!) KillerNIC M1 400Mhz Network Card 8mb ADSL connection (running at about 6mb ) Last edited by W1zzard; 09-23-2007 at 01:22 PM. Reason: removed possible advertising

09-21-2007, 07:15 PM	#33
HellasVagabond Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens , GREECE Posts: 2,635 (2.54/day) Thanks: 10 Thanked 163 Times in 135 Posts System Specs	Sounds like an advertisement to me..... Either way what happens when mobos get only Pciex slots and not PCI ? Throw out the window 250euros and get the newest Killer card ? Dont think so... __________________ Guides For GPU Power Users (Sometimes its Good to pay tribute to some people instead of copy pasting their guides.)

09-21-2007, 07:52 PM	#34
tigger I'm the only one Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Yorkshire,hull,uk Posts: 6,043 (4.50/day) Thanks: 207 Thanked 582 Times in 511 Posts System Specs	pointless waste of money.and you ^^ we dont want your ads here thx. __________________ Monster E6300 oc http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/2163.html Steam-tigger995

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09-21-2007, 07:56 PM	#35
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09-21-2007, 09:00 PM	#36
segomo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thnx Polaris, I just wanted to put a positive spin on the product as its had alot of bad press by people who don't know what it can do, it would appear. Buy it, don't buy it. Thats up to you but if you thought something was good, or bad, wouldn't you want people to hear you opinion? thnx for the warm welcome btw.

09-21-2007, 09:05 PM	#37
HellasVagabond Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens , GREECE Posts: 2,635 (2.54/day) Thanks: 10 Thanked 163 Times in 135 Posts System Specs	Its just "weird" that your first post is to "support" this product. If you were to find 100 reviews in sites like this you would be so kind to post into every site just to "help" everyone ? It doesnt add up for me but thats my point of view. And nobody said that the card doesnt help gaming. It just doesnt help that much to support the 180pounds ( 250euros ) price that it has. If it was 100euros i would buy it for sure. __________________ Guides For GPU Power Users (Sometimes its Good to pay tribute to some people instead of copy pasting their guides.)

09-21-2007, 09:26 PM	#41
bassmasta Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 777 (0.76/day) Thanks: 92 Thanked 27 Times in 27 Posts System Specs	these kick ass. and actually, most servers in css keep you above five for whatever reason. i have seen a ping of 1 before. and app mode should be turned on when you leave games so that you can browse at the same speeds. __________________ “Because the shotgun was made in china.” -PVTCaboose1337 “And that my friend, is why Chuck Norris is in your avatar. ” -thoughtdisorder

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09-21-2007, 09:28 PM	#42
segomo Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 6 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	... anyway anyone else actually got one? would like to know if anyone else had seen improvements, if any, in games. It seems to affect MMORPG's more. __________________

09-21-2007, 10:15 PM	#44
HellasVagabond Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens , GREECE Posts: 2,635 (2.54/day) Thanks: 10 Thanked 163 Times in 135 Posts System Specs	Posting my opinion is called an insult ? I must be living in another Galaxy then...... __________________ Guides For GPU Power Users (Sometimes its Good to pay tribute to some people instead of copy pasting their guides.) Last edited by HellasVagabond; 09-21-2007 at 10:39 PM.

09-21-2007, 10:20 PM	#45
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09-22-2007, 03:41 AM	#48
bassmasta Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 777 (0.76/day) Thanks: 92 Thanked 27 Times in 27 Posts System Specs	whoa, 250 ms? in css, you wouldn't notice, but i get irritated after 100 __________________ “Because the shotgun was made in china.” -PVTCaboose1337 “And that my friend, is why Chuck Norris is in your avatar. ” -thoughtdisorder

09-22-2007, 05:50 AM	#50
hat Maximum Overclocker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Unstable Socialist States of America Posts: 8,417 (7.66/day) Thanks: 1,222 Thanked 1,001 Times in 862 Posts	It just is not worth the money. Take that money, cram it into your savings for a new computer. If a Killer NIC gives you that much of a performance boost you're in need of a new PC __________________ My Heatware People work because they believe it will pay, but equal effort does not always mean equal gain.

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