having a flicker/studder with 3d graphics

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 4, 2007

i have been working on my problem for a couple of months now, and i am all out of ideas..I NEED SOME HELP!!! the problem is that i am haveing a slight studder/flicker with only the animated graphics(basically any moving graphics), but the background picture are not effected..It takes about 30 min. for this flicker/studder to show its self from the point i boot up. here is the werid thing. Ill reboot and the flicker/studder will be gone. and in 30 min. or so it will slowly come back. it wont freez up the computer at all, it just gets annoyingand slows up the game play... i have replaced the VGA card first and then the memory, then the mobo, and now i just replaced the CPU... so i then moved to thinking that it was the monitor.(check my specs). so i hooked up my 17"CRT last night and ran 3dmark06 all night to test it. in the morning i still have this flicker. after each peice of hardwear i replaced i ran intese tests..each failed..all my my drivers are all current. i also was useing atitool v0.26 then upgraded to the new beta version atitool v0.27 beta1( dont know if anyone is haveing any problems with this beta version).. I also reformated my HDD and reinstalled my OS... AGAIN I NEED SOME NEW DIRECTION....I AM STUMPED...please help me! :cry:

psyko12 · Jul 4, 2007

Vcard? Have you tested it on another comp? or the monitor test it on another pc? I too got that but a fresh install of drivers got me going, just try uninstall using Driver Cleaner pro and install original non moded drivers for vc....

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 4, 2007

psyko12 said:
Vcard? Have you tested it on another comp? or the monitor test it on another pc? I too got that but a fresh install of drivers got me going, just try uninstall using Driver Cleaner pro and install original non moded drivers for vc....

well the problem started when i was running 2 bfg geforce 7950 gt oc's sli. so i replaced them with one bfg geforce 8800 gtx oc2. and the exact same flicker was there so i ruled out the VGA. ill try the drive cleaner pro..
oh yea and i also used a differant monitor(17"crt)

jocksteeluk · Jul 4, 2007

it could be a power issue or a card over heating issue, is your computer situated near a heat source?

Namslas90 · Jul 4, 2007

This is a known issue for that model monitor manufactured in CHINA(two versions, the other version made in MEXICO does not have the problem).

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1102591

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

no my computer is not near a heat source. it actuly runs pretty cool around 23 deg c. in idle and about 35 deg under load. now my VGA card in idle sits about 60 deg c. and under intense graphics, ive seen it get to about 75-78 deg c. but this card was built to run hot. i called and talked to a bfg tech while researching my problem...
as far as this monitor issue( china- mexico made) the flicker that i am haveing is not the whole monitor picture but just the moving animated graphics... it is very weird
so i uninstalled my VGA drivers and my nforce drivers, ran driver cleaner pro and reinstalled.....still have my flicker/studder... i am up for some more ideas...
if anyone knows or is friends with some tech guys please ask them and or get them involved with this problem of mine. i dont know if this is a hardwear issue or a softwear thing...

Kursah · Jul 6, 2007

Re-install the most recent DX9 release. There may be a bug or glitch somewhere causing it.

What refresh rate are you trying to run on your monitor at what resolution with what kind of connection?

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

here is a dume question.... could it be a HDD issue.. i did add a WD raptor around when this flicker started

Kursah · Jul 6, 2007

Could be...run HDTach on it, also, maybe run Memtest or Everest/Si Sandra memory/HDD benchmarks.

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

Kursah said:
Re-install the most recent DX9 release. There may be a bug or glitch somewhere causing it.

What refresh rate are you trying to run on your monitor at what resolution with what kind of connection?

i did try that. i installed the new end-user 9.0c version. and the only way to unistall and reinstall is to format the HDD

Kursah · Jul 6, 2007

How hot are your NB and SB getting under load and stress? I've heard increasing PCI-e frequency for 8800's helps them with stability at occasions, but do this at your own risk, and generally stay below 120MHz, but I've seen people hit 140+ PCI-e with an 8800.

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

Kursah said:
Could be...run HDTach on it, also, maybe run Memtest or Everest/Si Sandra memory/HDD benchmarks.

well i did run memtest to check the stablity of my memory before i replaced all 4 gigs. i dont have a full copy of Si Sandra but i have been using my full copy of 3dmark06 , no problems

Kursah · Jul 6, 2007

In 3dMark06 does your 3d flicker?

What was your HDTach result?

Have you ran Memtest after you replaced all 4 gigs?

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

Kursah said:
How hot are your NB and SB getting under load and stress? I've heard increasing PCI-e frequency for 8800's helps them with stability at occasions, but do this at your own risk, and generally stay below 120MHz, but I've seen people hit 140+ PCI-e with an 8800.

its hard to say, i was haveing this flicker before with my 7950 gt oc's. that is why i got the new 8800 gtx. that is also why kinda ruled out the VGA card.. is it posible to have the same problem with two differant cards?

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

Kursah said:
In 3dMark06 does your 3d flicker?

What was your HDTach result?

Have you ran Memtest after you replaced all 4 gigs?

hummm. ill run it real quick. i am not haveing this studering yet. i havent ran any intense graphics yet since i booted up

Kursah · Jul 6, 2007

So does it happen right away or after a bit? If it's after a bit, then odds are somethings overheating and getting unstable to an extent. Do you ever get BSOD's?

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

Kursah said:
So does it happen right away or after a bit? If it's after a bit, then odds are somethings overheating and getting unstable to an extent. Do you ever get BSOD's?

ok what is BSOD. and where on 3dmard do i find HDtact

and why is it if i reboot the flicker is gone right a way?

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

i stated in my first post, it takes about 30 minutes or so and the screen saver also helps it . i am useing MS aquarium

Kursah · Jul 6, 2007

HDTach is not on 3dmark, HDTach is a seperate test program for HD's only. It's small and easy to find. Google it, download it and use it.

BSOD = Blue Screen of Death, google it to learn more, you'll know if you have had one because windows will show the blue screen and restart.

As far as why you can restart and have another 30 minute window before the flickering starts again is a weird one, but we'll eventually find the source! :toast:

Kursah · Jul 6, 2007

Also, if you know what CPU-z is, even if not, download it, in one of the tabs it will list your PCI-e link speed, which should be at x16. On my board if I tweak too much or OC too far my PCI-e link will go to 1x and that will cause issues for me. That's worth a look also.

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

Kursah said:
HDTach is not on 3dmark, HDTach is a seperate test program for HD's only. It's small and easy to find. Google it, download it and use it.

BSOD = Blue Screen of Death, google it to learn more, you'll know if you have had one because windows will show the blue screen and restart.

As far as why you can restart and have another 30 minute window before the flickering starts again is a weird one, but we'll eventually find the source!

i like the confidence :rockout:

BSOD...

yes i know this, but i have never pushed my pc that far yet. i have been doing alot of research on overclocking, and have been very sucessful with it... that is how this all started.... but i have everything back to defaults and i have replaced everything... my mobo is actualy at gigabyte in CA being looked at right now.. they said that the will probley send it out tomarrow... i miss it

i am useing a MSI board right now to keep me going. and i still have this flicker

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

Kursah said:
Also, if you know what CPU-z is, even if not, download it, in one of the tabs it will list your PCI-e link speed, which should be at x16. On my board if I tweak too much or OC too far my PCI-e link will go to 1x and that will cause issues for me. That's worth a look also.

got it. ill pull it up

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

yep 16x

Kursah · Jul 6, 2007

2 MB's, 2 Vid cards, and it started after you got the HDD. I am leaning towards that possibly being the issue. We'll soon find out after your HDTach results... :toast:

JUGGERNUTZ · Jul 6, 2007

ok just found HDtech

Processor	AMD ATHLON 64 X2 5600+ 2.8GIG Windsor core(Now OCed 3.1)
Motherboard	GIGABYTE GA-M59SLI-S5
Cooling	Zalman 9700LED CPU Cooler/3 120mm,1 200mm case fans
Memory	4 GIGS Corsair XMS2 ddr2-800, 5-4-3-16-21T
Video Card(s)	BFG GEFORCE 8800 GTX OC2
Storage	150 GIG WD RAPTOR/ 250 GIG WD SATA
Display(s)	SAMSUNG SYNCMASTER 204b
Case	ANTEC 900
Power Supply	Cooler Master real power pro 850 watt
Software	XP PRO X64

System Name	Zangief (Reborn)
Processor	AMD Ryzen R7 1700X @ 3.825ghz , 1.35v
Motherboard	Gigabyte GA-AX370 Gaming K7 Rev 1.0 BIOS F51e
Cooling	Noctua NH-D15 Push / Push Config \| 2x ML120 \| 2x Phanteks 120 mm
Memory	2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z @ 3200mhz cl 16 @ 1.45v
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte Aorus GTX 1080 +100 core / +550 mem
Storage	250 GB Samsung Evo 850 / 1tb WD Black / 4tb WD Blue / 512GB Adata XPG Pro SX8200
Display(s)	Acer Predator XB271HU \|Asus VX239H 23" AH-IPS Led
Case	Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG
Audio Device(s)	On Board Realtek HD / Logitech G633/G933 Gaming Headset / Corsair H70 Pro Wireless
Power Supply	Corsair HX750i
Mouse	Logitech G903 and G602 Wireless Gaming \| Logitech Proteus Core G502
Keyboard	Corsair K70 Cherry Red \| Corsair K70 RGB MK.2 Cherry Browns \| Akko 3908N TTC Flame Reds
Software	Windows 11 Pro

Processor	AMD ATHLON 64 X2 5600+ 2.8GIG Windsor core(Now OCed 3.1)
Motherboard	GIGABYTE GA-M59SLI-S5
Cooling	Zalman 9700LED CPU Cooler/3 120mm,1 200mm case fans
Memory	4 GIGS Corsair XMS2 ddr2-800, 5-4-3-16-21T
Video Card(s)	BFG GEFORCE 8800 GTX OC2
Storage	150 GIG WD RAPTOR/ 250 GIG WD SATA
Display(s)	SAMSUNG SYNCMASTER 204b
Case	ANTEC 900
Power Supply	Cooler Master real power pro 850 watt
Software	XP PRO X64

Processor	custom dupont risk chip cpu prototype
Motherboard	custom ibm x5 solid state carbon mainboard
Cooling	industrial technologies prototype dupont custom heat transfer unit
Memory	6x 2gig prototype ecc hnc ddr4
Video Card(s)	prototype low energy version nvidia 9 series unnumberd card
Storage	1tb solid state hdd
Display(s)	44 inch samsung plasma screen tv/monitor
Case	custom ibm mobile home server case
Audio Device(s)	custom Yamaha sound processing processor in spm format
Power Supply	1200watt deli cord custom made dupont type psu
Software	sun unix/windows type v

Processor	AMD ATHLON 64 X2 5600+ 2.8GIG Windsor core(Now OCed 3.1)
Motherboard	GIGABYTE GA-M59SLI-S5
Cooling	Zalman 9700LED CPU Cooler/3 120mm,1 200mm case fans
Memory	4 GIGS Corsair XMS2 ddr2-800, 5-4-3-16-21T
Video Card(s)	BFG GEFORCE 8800 GTX OC2
Storage	150 GIG WD RAPTOR/ 250 GIG WD SATA
Display(s)	SAMSUNG SYNCMASTER 204b
Case	ANTEC 900
Power Supply	Cooler Master real power pro 850 watt
Software	XP PRO X64

System Name	Kursah's Gaming Rig 2018 (2022 Upgrade) - Ryzen+ Edition \| Gaming Laptop (Lenovo Legion 5i Pro 2022)
Processor	R7 5800X @ Stock \| i7 12700H @ Stock
Motherboard	Asus ROG Strix X370-F Gaming BIOS 6203\| Legion 5i Pro NM-E231
Cooling	Noctua NH-U14S Push-Pull + NT-H1 \| Stock Cooling
Memory	TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32GB (2x16) DDR4 4000 @ 3600 18-20-20-42 1.35v \| 32GB DDR5 4800 (2x16)
Video Card(s)	Palit GeForce RTX 4070 JetStream 12GB \| CPU-based Intel Iris XE + RTX 3070 8GB 150W
Storage	4TB SP UD90 NVME, 960GB SATA SSD, 2TB HDD \| 1TB Samsung OEM NVME SSD + 4TB Crucial P3 Plus NVME SSD
Display(s)	Acer 28" 4K VG280K x2 \| 16" 2560x1600 built-in
Case	Corsair 600C - Stock Fans on Low \| Stock Metal/Plastic
Audio Device(s)	Aune T1 mk1 > AKG K553 Pro + JVC HA-RX 700 (Equalizer APO + PeaceUI) \| Bluetooth Earbuds (BX29)
Power Supply	EVGA 750G2 Modular + APC Back-UPS Pro 1500 \| 300W OEM (heavy use) or Lenovo Legion C135W GAN (light)
Mouse	Logitech G502 \| Logitech M330
Keyboard	HyperX Alloy Core RGB \| Built in Keyboard (Lenovo laptop KB FTW)
Software	Windows 11 Pro x64 \| Windows 11 Home x64

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