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as the title says, post here your experiences with this cards :)

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name - brand and model - core/ram
PT (1) - XpertVision HD2600XT SONIC 256MB GDDR3 @ 900/1053
PT (2) - Mobile HD2600 512MB DDR2 @ 573/486
Spliff - Sapphire HD2600XT GDDR3 @ 960/1100
Sovereign - MSI HD2600XT DIAMOND OC EDITION GDDR4 @ 850/1150
amd64best - Palit HD2600XT Xtreme 256MB GDDR3 @ 820/1030
Paradox - HIS Hightech HD2600XT 256MB GDDR4 @ 930/1143
JRodgA2k7 -Sapphire HD2600XT 256MB DDR3 @ 850/850
ashley - Sapphire HD2600xXT 256MB GDDR4 @ 857/1179
cyberloner - Xpertvision HD2600PRO GDDR2 @ 830/830
Dixxhead - Mobile HD2600 @ 700/570
ghost101 - Sapphire HD2600XT GDDR3 @ 891/792
nexion218 - Powercolor HD2600XT GDDR4 @ 945/1143
niko084 - MSI HD2600XT DIAMOND OC EDITION GDDR4 @ 950/1150
AthlonX2 - HIS HD2600XT 256MB GDDR4 @ 1020/1110

3dmark05:
Spliff - 13100
PT (1) - 11942
AthlonX2 - 11739
ashley - 11185
ghost101 - 11185
Paradox - 9154
Dixxhead - 7692
PT (2) - 6832

3dmark06:
Spliff - 6012
AthlonX2 - 5869
niko084 - 5777
ashley - 5596
PT (1)- 5559
ghost101 - 5348
Sovereign - 5318
JRodgA2k7 - 5199
Paradox - 4827
Dixxhead - 4133

 
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so far on the overclock i got:
857mhz on core (800mhz stock) maxxed i think
1007mhz on ram (700mhz stock, comes pre-oc from factory as 800mhx) still not maxxed :twitch:


with no voltage options, nor vmods, i think they put gddr4 on mine for mistake :p

card: XpertVision HD2600XT 256mb gddr3 :)
 

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Very nice overclock ther PT!....whats the "toy" :) giving you in 2006? I think we should rejuvinate the 2005 club which is more GPU biased....well less CPU biased and see what these DX10 cards can do in that as all the benchies seem to be in 2006.
 

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the "toy" with no optimizations or tweaks gave me almost 5k and 10k on 05 :)
haven't run it since i'm overclocking so high

i agree with rejuvination of the 05 club :)
 

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the "toy" with no optimizations or tweaks gave me almost 5k and 10k on 05 :)
haven't run it since i'm overclocking so high

i agree with rejuvination of the 05 club :)

OK you do the first post on an optimised run and I will follow suit.....it's a deal.
 

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OK you do the first post on an optimised run and I will follow suit.....it's a deal.

i wil ltake a while for a optimized run :p
i'm going crazy atm with overclocking :rolleyes:
you start it :)
 

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03, 05 and 06 best run at 857mhz core, 1017mhz ram :)
for some reason 01 and aquamark crashes
:(




 

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Not that bad on 06 for the price of that card.


Are you going to put it on water PT?
 

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prob, since now i have 240mm rad, and a 120mm rad :) this card is getting 58ºc with a house fan pointed at it
and since i'm prob going to get a job tomorrow at a national tech shop
(kinda like your's wallmart) monwy will start flowing, i already have my eyes on one

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I got my HD2600XT today and overclocked it right away....i maxxed out the Catalyst Overclocking...which is 857 Core and 1179 Mem(i have the GDDR4 version). Im goina download AMD clock tool and try for higher.
 

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I got my HD2600XT today and overclocked it right away....i maxxed out the Catalyst Overclocking...which is 857 Core and 1179 Mem(i have the GDDR4 version). Im goina download AMD clock tool and try for higher.

857 is prob locked in bios
what's the stock ram speed?
 

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Zip-tie your water cpu block on it:)
 

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Ya...interested in this bios unlock...as for AMD Clock tool it wont start.
My stock speeds are 800/1100
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Just have to do a bios mod and flash the card.
 
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what would i have to do to the bios?
 

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Just have to do a bios mod and flash the card.

software?

just click the gpu amd clock tool a gazilion times and
it will open, if not open task manager and end the programm process
 
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Yeeehaaa, clicked her once and it opened right up. My results will be up very shortly.
 
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My results=WTF........I can only get 1145Mem on AMD Clock Tool and still stuck at 857....we need to modify the bios i believe...if i go anywhere over those numbers then it goes to a black screen. I can get 1.18GHz Mem on CCC and that is the max of the slider so there has to be room for more...but how???
 

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can you say what's written on the ram chips?
and we wan't MARKS! :p
 
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Ummm...i have Dialup so 3dmark will have to wait a bit till i get somewhere with highspeed(i had 06 on a cd but i stepped on it and it broke)
I dont know if i wana take the heatsink off.......im kinda lazy:( but ill think about it.
 

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