DirectX10 hardware...

InnocentCriminal · Aug 9, 2007

I don't know if I believe this or not (no reason as to why I shouldn't) but whilst I over at The Inq I came across a recent piece of 'news' that really got me laughing, and if it's truth a lot of people here (and elsewhere) are going to be extremely pissed off.

If y'can't be arsed to read the whole thing here here's the main jist...

Wily Ferret of the Inq said:
Here's the thing. DX10 hardware - such as the GeForce 8800 or the Radeon 2900 - won't work with the new 10.1 features. The 0.1 revision requires completely new hardware for support, thus royally cheesing off many gamers who paid top whack for their new hardware over the last few months on the basis of future game compatibility.

Microshaft do it again... DX10 card holders, your opinions please!

LOL - Wily Ferret :roll:

Balls - just thought this should be in the Video card section - if a moderator is reading this, could you change it over please. However the good thing is... I'm sorry!

newtekie1 · Aug 9, 2007

Most likely true, but the deal is that the difference between DX10 and DX10.1 isn't really that big. And if you only have a DX10 card then you don't get the minor improvement of DX10.1 over DX10, but you still get the massive improvement of DX10 over DX9.

hat · Aug 9, 2007

Just like DX8 cards aren't compatable with DX8.1 mkay

PVTCaboose1337 · Aug 9, 2007

Wow nice all, your cards are worthless now

hat · Aug 9, 2007

My card is worthless x2. DX9

largon · Aug 9, 2007

DirectX10.1...

Equals:

- 4x AA or higher always on
- audio processing on GPU
- performance optimizations

Really, there's absolutely nothing "to be extremely pissed off" about.

hat · Aug 9, 2007

too bad I AM EXTREMELY PISSED OFF!! lol jk
Audio processing on the GPU... is this overridden by having a sound card?

InnocentCriminal · Aug 9, 2007

largon said:
Really, there's absolutely nothing "to be extremely pissed off" about.

Arrrh yes but the people that have to have the best of the best will be. I know people like that - they will be. They'll buy a DX10.1 compatible card as soon as they can.

You're 100% right though, why would it bother people if it doesn't bring improvements? Let's hope that they don't make 10.2 (if there is one) DX10.1 hardware only.

HAL7000 · Aug 9, 2007

Base on the updates from DX10.1
Quote: INQ
(The main components of the technology includes sophisticated multi-channel and audio spatialisation support. 5.1 sound has been used well on Xbox and 360 titles, and MS is hoping that it can push PC games in the same direction.)

Quote:Forum
'U do realise them want to change ur Pc into an Xbox like device, with same copyprotection, lock ins. HD's have to be enabled, only certified peripherals etc..."

I found the second quote in another forum that was an interesting concept. Do you think that this is Wild Bill's ultimate goal? Turning our PC's into a XBOX format??
Just thought I would ask.....

HAL7000 · Aug 9, 2007

So does this mean I show wait a bit longer before buying that new DX10 video card?

My wife is in the back ground saying ...I told you so ...I told you so.....dam i hate it when she echoes in the house, I need to put on Slave Zero (she always hated that game) to drowned her out ...lol

A Cheese Danish · Aug 9, 2007

gah, screw that.
im going to keep my card...works fine...and since there wont be a major improvement, like DX10 to DX9, there really isnt a point...

vega22 · Aug 9, 2007

i think it will mostly be for hdmi outputs on the gcard with out the need to plug it in to your sound card.

as for pcs becoming 360s, wtf do you think vi$ta is for? aero?

HAL7000 · Aug 9, 2007

newtekie1 said:
Most likely true, but the deal is that the difference between DX10 and DX10.1 isn't really that big. And if you only have a DX10 card then you don't get the minor improvement of DX10.1 over DX10, but you still get the massive improvement of DX10 over DX9.

Quote from ExtremeTech:
The new features of the DirectX update includes shader model 4.1, as well as a variety of graphics features, including:

* TextureCube Arrays which are dynamically indexable in shader code.
* An updated shader model (shader model 4.1).
* The ability to select the MSAA sample pattern for a resource from a palette of patterns, and retrieve the corresponding sample positions. The ability to render to block-compressed textures.
* More flexibility with respect to copying of resources.
* Support for blending on all unorm and snorm formats.

The XAudio2 features include:

* Multi-channel and surround-sound support with full per-channel volume and mapping control.
* Programmable, cross-platform DSP effects framework.
* Per-voice filtering, arbitrary submixing, and multi-rate processing.
* Multicore optimized, non-blocking API design.
* Pluggable and generalized 3D spatialization support, with a full-featured implementation provided by the independent X3DAudio math library.

Doesn't this sound more than a minor improvement, it signals a CHANGE is coming again. :ohwell:

And those with current DX10 cards they will not be able to support these changes,,,,esp. after they just forked out $$$$ for them

bassmasta · Aug 9, 2007

I don't remember where I saw this, but before the 2900 came out, I recall amd telling us that it would work for 10.1. anyone else read this?

InnocentCriminal · Aug 9, 2007

I don't think the current 2Kseries support DX10+ but the next 65nm generation may do.

Maybe it was this article you read

Easy Rhino · Aug 9, 2007

i would be very pissed if i paid 600 bucks for the best card out of the gate and it doesnt support the latest improvements. may this be a lesson to you all!

bassmasta · Aug 9, 2007

no, it wasn't that article, it was one highlighting the 2900, maybe a month before release

InnocentCriminal · Aug 9, 2007

Well that article is saying that they'll be bringing DX10.1 support later on. So maybe you read the article incorrectly. I'd be interested to read it if you do find it.

Polaris573 · Aug 10, 2007

Its the inquirer, I don't believe I have to say anything further.

InnocentCriminal · Aug 10, 2007

The Inq is highly respectable website - you're thinking of the Ugly Idiot Dick!

People don't (in my opinion) view the Inq correctly because they don't get their (if you will) dry, satirical style of writing. Polaris573, I'm not trying to place you into this category. I'm just trying to explain how I think some people perceive the Inq.

v-zero · Aug 10, 2007

newtekie1 said:
but you still get the massive improvement of DX10 over DX9.

Massive.... Really? :laugh:

driver66 · Aug 10, 2007

Easy Rhino said:
i would be very pissed if i paid 600 bucks for the best card out of the gate and it doesnt support the latest improvements. may this be a lesson to you all!

I'd be pissed if I were stuck in the stoneage lol :nutkick:

InnocentCriminal · Aug 10, 2007

I don't see any point in upgrading to DX10 hardware as it's currently still in it's early developments. I've said this before somewhere in another thread. We don't currently have any native DX10 games, just bolted on 'goodies' in the form of patches. Which bring a bit of difference in performance (in a bad way) for just slightly better GFX, if you look hard enough. Another thing I've said before is, I won't be upgrading until companies such as nVIDIA & DAMMIT have massively reduced the power consumption. Plus, I'd want DX10+ built in.

driver66 · Aug 10, 2007

InnocentCriminal said:
I don't see any point in upgrading to DX10 hardware as it's currently still in it's early developments. I've said this before somewhere in another thread. We don't currently have any native DX10 games, just bolted on 'goodies' in the form of patches. Which bring a bit different in performance (in a bit way) for just better GFX, if you hard enough. Another thing I've said before is, I won't be upgrading until companies such as nVIDIA & DAMMIT have massively reduced the power consumption. Plus, I'd want DX10+ built in.

It's not the point ?? :nutkick:

My uprade allows me to PWN all dx 9 card's :slap:

and games

InnocentCriminal · Aug 10, 2007

If that's what makes you happy then... :toast:

Then that isn't a waste of money, but when the tables have turned who will be pwning then?

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