Nvidia Cheating in Crysis for Numbers???

DaMulta · Nov 4, 2007

http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=487&Itemid=29

Are they cheating in Crysis to get better numbers......What do you think?

The performance drop actually becomes far less pronounced with this board at 1280x1024 with 4x anti-aliasing, down to around 3.5%, before growing hugely at 1600x1200, although our previous testing with this board has suggested that the GeForce 8800 GT becomes starved of frame buffer space of memory bandwidth at such intensive settings.

But, there you have it - While renaming the Crysis single-player demo executable fixes the image quality issues with all of NVIDIA's ForceWare 169.0x drivers, it also reduces performance by around 7% on average. It's worth noting that these issues are also experienced in-game, rather than simply in the game's timedemo mode, although due to the slower camera movement of the player walking around rather than the fly-by used when benchmarking, it is normally far less noticeable

zekrahminator · Nov 4, 2007

I wouldn't be surprised. NVIDIA is built around image performance, ATI is built around image quality. I, personally, prefer a very realistic gaming experience, and expect a high quality render at reasonable speeds (hence, why I buy a high end ATI card every couple years). There are those that just want an extremely smooth gaming experience, or want uber-1337 benchmark scores, and that's exactly what NVIDIA is built around.

newtekie1 · Nov 4, 2007

Yes, surprising the drivers that NVidia claims are OPTIMIZED for Crysis, detect when Crysis is run and implements those optimizations.

Not cheating rather driver optimizations. This is why NVidia drivers have profiles for games based on the EXEs run.

wazzledoozle · Nov 4, 2007

Optimizations != Cheating.

But the image quality issues are too bad. Perhaps a bug?

PVTCaboose1337 · Nov 4, 2007

I call that clever. If you can make something better, do!

DaMulta · Nov 4, 2007

wazzledoozle said:
Optimizations != Cheating.

But the image quality issues are too bad. Perhaps a bug?

Maybe, but it would not be the first time they have done bad image quality to increase the speed of something.

newtekie1 · Nov 4, 2007

DaMulta said:
Maybe, but it would not be the first time they have done bad image quality to increase the speed of something.

True, but they are also trying to optimize the performance for the game, and you have to remember these are still beta drivers, so problems are to be expected. We don't know what their final drivers will do, perhaps the problem will be fixed by then.

DaMulta · Nov 4, 2007

Yes, it's just kinda funny the new 8800GT is just now on the market, and everyone is looking for benchmarks. A lot of them will be looking for Cryis benchmarks for that card, and just looking at the numbers.

That's why my title in it has the big ??? in it, because of the beta.

JacKz5o · Nov 4, 2007

Didn't they do this to one of the 3DMark versions? I read somewhere that if you changed 3dmark.exe to 3dmurk.exe the scores are lower lol.

Chewy · Nov 4, 2007

^^ LOL, damm lol. but thier 8800 series is nice.. had a bad start but is nice. I like how thier using less tdp.

imperialreign · Nov 4, 2007

one of my bigger gripes with nVidia. They care more about selling their products by fudging numbers than they do producing something that is what it claims to be. It's a shady practice, IMO, if your hardware can't compete, make it better. Why give false specs on your performance just to sell your hardware when you already whore out your liscensing to every game that hits the market (I'm seriuosly getting sick of seeing nVidia logos at every game startup).

I find it funny how ATI has never been caught doing these kind of optimizations - which means they either don't do it, or don't get caught.

Didn't they do this to one of the 3DMark versions?

IIRC, it was 3m05 and with a certain GPU (don't remember which one) that was brand new to the market.

True, but they are also trying to optimize the performance for the game, and you have to remember these are still beta drivers, so problems are to be expected. We don't know what their final drivers will do, perhaps the problem will be fixed by then.

it's possible, but it's also possible they'll re-work their optimizations again. Being called out on it twice in a row isn't something new to nVidia.

v-zero · Nov 4, 2007

I don't see any reason for people to be complaining about nVidia performance - since the G80(and for a time G70) came out they have been the best by quite a margin... Swings and roundabouts people...

Solaris17 · Nov 5, 2007

newtekie1 said:
Yes, surprising the drivers that NVidia claims are OPTIMIZED for Crysis, detect when Crysis is run and implements those optimizations.

Not cheating rather driver optimizations. This is why NVidia drivers have profiles for games based on the EXEs run.

ya nvidia also called them optimizations when they cheated with the fx series by making the drivers not render certain things

Lopez0101 · Nov 5, 2007

I remember those days. Back when the Radeon 9700 ruled the day. Nvidia tried to put out something better and got caught with optimizations in 3DMark05 that lowered the image quality. But because it was a benchmark and the scores were shared online it turned into a big fiasco. It seems Nvidia learned one thing, do it where most people won't notice, in actual games.

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