Bad Batch 8800gt

[JethroBodine]

Originally Posted by SpoonMuffin

*sneeks over and ruffles thermo's fethers with gloved hands* :P


as to buying anything when it first hits, yeah, pretty much, shouldnt buy anything thats brand spanking new, but damn if those 38*0 cards do come out the 19th.....tempting specs.......

Go figure- here you are telling people to wait for ATi parts in your thread where you're lying about a supposed problem with 8800GT cards.

I talk to NVIDIA directly- the issue you are trying to start a rumor about does not exist.

Not just me that says this either-

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1238771

Pathetic.

[SpoonMuffin]

yeah nvidias gonna admit they fucked up........thats like saying microsofts gonna admit they fucked up putting vista out............

but hey look i gained a stalker, somebody whos a bitter nvidia fanboi from hardforums.......

put your $where your mouth is, buy this 8800gt my buddys droping off here tonight that has the exect same problem i posted about.

[tostator]

Originally Posted by SpoonMuffin

*sneeks over and ruffles thermo's fethers with gloved hands* :P


as to buying anything when it first hits, yeah, pretty much, shouldnt buy anything thats brand spanking new, but damn if those 38*0 cards do come out the 19th.....tempting specs.......

I'm waiting too for the 38*0's because they will be launched by the date Club3D 8800GT's are expected here in Spain (19th), but remember that they will be brand new...


Peace

[tkpenalty]

We are somewhat off topic. Why shouldnt we buy something brand spanking new? Anyway, the 8800GTs that were faulty were just a small batch anyway, it happens occasionally. This doesn't mean that it will immediately make all 8800GTs bad!

Anwyay, the 8800GT has a really small die, so even a VF900CU is good for it.

[SpoonMuffin]

i dont care if i get nvidia or ati, my main intrest is in getting a card thats fast and works like it should, no matter what some morons above imply

[SpoonMuffin]

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

We are somewhat off topic. Why shouldnt we buy something brand spanking new? Anyway, the 8800GTs that were faulty were just a small batch anyway, it happens occasionally. This doesn't mean that it will immediately make all 8800GTs bad!

Anwyay, the 8800GT has a really small die, so even a VF900CU is good for it.

never said they where all bad, just be carful what ones u buy and where, because some of them seem to have a high bad card rate(bad batch ended up in my area at least)

and i thought u hated the vf900cg :O

i wouldnt have been buying an 8800gt if i wasnt hoping for the best, i had bad luck.....so did alot of other people, including my buddy eli , i have his card here next to me now, if somebody wants to buy it and see for a fact that its flawed that would be great, if not i will return it for him tomarow afternoon/evening since he cant till saterday and im headed out that way anyway(3 mile detour....no biggie)

[erocker]

Originally Posted by JethroBodine

Go figure- here you are telling people to wait for ATi parts in your thread where you're lying about a supposed problem with 8800GT cards.

I talk to NVIDIA directly- the issue you are trying to start a rumor about does not exist.

Not just me that says this either-

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1238771

Pathetic.

Everything about this post is pathetic Jethro. I know someone personally who got a bad card, and there are others on this forum as well? So Jethro... tell me. Are you some corporate snail that goes out to try to calm the public amid a messed up product? I don't believe he is "telling" people to wait for ATi, he is just expressing his own personal situation and ideas. Why in the hell would Nvidia tell you if there was a problem anyways? Mr. I talk to Nvidia.

[SpoonMuffin]

I have called nvidia, you should try it with a driver bugg, its fun, u get the runaround and alot of dbl talk and in the end 9/10 times you get the blame for the problem even if tons of other people have it to.

i called bfg again, recorded the call, they didnt exectly dennie there could be a bad batch, but they said "we dont know of any conferemed bad batches at this time" and then reccomended i run some burn in test on my systems to see if its a software problem(already ruled that out by testing with an 8800gtx a buddy brought over a few hours ago) so its not the computer, its not the drivers, its gotta be something wonky in hardware.......

and erocker clearly noticed i never said "Wait for ati cards" i said that as a buddy pointed out if i/we are gonna wait 2 weeks for safe local cards to be avalable we might as well wait and see if ati brings anything compeditive out in the same price bracket, i/we went for the 8800gt because it was the best bang for the buck, well if it worked it was the best bang for the buck.....:P

glad somebody sees im not trying to screw over bfg or any other card/chip maker, i just dont want anybody else to endup like me or my 2 friends who got these cards at the same time in the portland/vancouver area at bestbuy stores.

oh the bfg rep said it could be that somehow bestbuy did get some bad card and if i could get one from another store it would probbly be fine. (3rd one i have had in my hands that dosnt work!!!, it just restarted the dell i have next to me for testing lol, nice......)*grummbles*

if anybody wants this card please buy if off me, i will happly let you try and proove that we did something wrong and that there are no bad 8800gt's floating around

[BioMonkey]

What machine do you have these cards in Spoon? The one you have on your listing shows a 400w PSU?

I'll buy the card from you... no tax in Oregon right? :-)

[SpoonMuffin]

wash has tax, i got it closet to home then the oregon bestbuy.

and 400watt fortron in here with 36amps on 12v
550watt epower in the otherbox with 40amps
450watt xcilo unit in another
and my buddys q6600 system has a 1000watt fortron

where u live biomonky?

[patton45]

so ive been reading that there really is no bad batch at some sites then at others i read there are whats the deal?

[patton45]

i live in wash ill buy it from you if its an oc'd version

[SpoonMuffin]

its the bfg oc edition
where do you live in washington?

[patton45]

tacoma

[SpoonMuffin]

this situation reminds me of when somebody posted about the bad ps2 optical drives and everybody was allover his ass because their was no "proof" and sony denied it, same deal, he got linched by sony fans.........dispite the fact that he didnt do anything but TRY AND HELP and let people know it may have been wise to wait a few weeks/months for the problem units get off shelves.(my buddy eli had to take his back 6 times to bb b4 he got one that didnt fail in the extended bb warr period)

[JethroBodine]

Originally Posted by SpoonMuffin

yeah nvidias gonna admit they fucked up........thats like saying microsofts gonna admit they fucked up putting vista out............

but hey look i gained a stalker, somebody whos a bitter nvidia fanboi from hardforums.......

put your $where your mouth is, buy this 8800gt my buddys droping off here tonight that has the exect same problem i posted about.

I'm no fanboi, I'm somebody that unfortunately has to deal with people like you every month of the year.

BFG didn't tell you the things you allege here, NVIDIA corporate has never heard of your supposed issue from them or any OEM, so people need to know you're lying so they don't make the wrong choice based on misinformation.

You should be banned, and sued, for this.

[SpoonMuffin]

funny we have somebody in this very thred thats had this problem.......
and again, nvidia isnt gonna admit they screwed up unless they cant avoid it, because it could/would hurt sales.

and your trying to ruin my rep on PcPer to but they arent biting any more then the people here are, get over it, you dont know what BFG told me, you where not here.

now why not go someplace else and try and get somebody banned/sued, you already got me banned from [H], corse i really dont give a crap since I ONLY POSTED THERE MABY 10 Times since i joined years back, Your [H] community is a bunch of wankers

[zekrahminator]

Originally Posted by JethroBodine

I'm no fanboi, I'm somebody that unfortunately has to deal with people like you every month of the year.

BFG didn't tell you the things you allege here, NVIDIA corporate has never heard of your supposed issue from them or any OEM, so people need to know you're lying so they don't make the wrong choice based on misinformation.

You should be banned, and sued, for this.

You've got some balls, telling someone that they need to be banned on their second post...

Here's a little advice to you and spoonmuffin. Just drop it. If I see either of you bickering, I'll revoke your posting privileges.

[Tatty_One]

Originally Posted by JethroBodine

I'm no fanboi, I'm somebody that unfortunately has to deal with people like you every month of the year.

BFG didn't tell you the things you allege here, NVIDIA corporate has never heard of your supposed issue from them or any OEM, so people need to know you're lying so they don't make the wrong choice based on misinformation.

You should be banned, and sued, for this.

I dont own a 8800GT, I dont really care whether BFG or NVidia are admitting to a problem, what I care about is the accuracy of the fact that there could be a problem, and just doing a simple google brought up a large number of different forums and different threads with 8800GT owners saying they were suffering from the problem that Spoon has highlighted here, now unless they are all lying it would at least indicate that some cards, from some batches may be faulty.......so just for my benefit, to make things clear to me, are you saying that these people are lying also? or is your point that you dont beleive that BFG/Nvidia are not admitting to any issues? I only ask because you call Spoon a liar, is that based on the fact that you think he is lying about the fact there is an issue or the fact that he says BFG are more or less admitting to an issue? Here is just a quick couple of the threads I came across out of many:

A number of people here would have appeared to have RMA'd their 8800GT's with an admittance from the retailer at least that the cards/drivers were faulty:

http://forums.hexus.net/graphics-car...roblems-3.html

THIS ONE IS FROM EVGA'S OWN USER FORUM! (but you say that OEM's dont know about these "non issues"), again more than one issue here:

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=149429&mpage=1&key=

There were many others. I am not taking sides here but TBH, if I bought an 8800GT that was faulty and then after the fact one of my forum friends happened to mention that he had also had a faulty card he had to RMA but didnt bother tell me/us I would not have been particularily happy with him! My point being, I dont like scaremongery or lies but if there are problems with hardware, genuine problems, I think most of us here would like to be kept informed of them through members own experiences.

[Darksaber]

Originally Posted by SpoonMuffin

i dont care if i get nvidia or ati, my main intrest is in getting a card thats fast and works like it should, no matter what some morons above imply

SpoonMuffin, please try to choose your words wisely. Every 2nd posting of yours has some sort of profanities in it.

cheers
DS

[patton45]

Originally Posted by Tatty_One

I dont own a 8800GT, I dont really care whether BFG or NVidia are admitting to a problem, what I care about is the accuracy of the fact that there could be a problem, and just doing a simple google brought up a large number of different forums and different threads with 8800GT owners saying they were suffering from the problem that Spoon has highlighted here, now unless they are all lying it would at least indicate that some cards, from some batches may be faulty.......so just for my benefit, to make things clear to me, are you saying that these people are lying also? or is your point that you dont beleive that BFG/Nvidia are not admitting to any issues? I only ask because you call Spoon a liar, is that based on the fact that you think he is lying about the fact there is an issue or the fact that he says BFG are more or less admitting to an issue? Here is just a quick couple of the threads I came across out of many:

A number of people here would have appeared to have RMA'd their 8800GT's with an admittance from the retailer at least that the cards/drivers were faulty:

http://forums.hexus.net/graphics-car...roblems-3.html

THIS ONE IS FROM EVGA'S OWN USER FORUM! (but you say that OEM's dont know about these "non issues"), again more than one issue here:

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=149429&mpage=1&key=

There were many others. I am not taking sides here but TBH, if I bought an 8800GT that was faulty and then after the fact one of my forum friends happened to mention that he had also had a faulty card he had to RMA but didnt bother tell me/us I would not have been particularily happy with him! My point being, I dont like scaremongery or lies but if there are problems with hardware, genuine problems, I think most of us here would like to be kept informed of them through members own experiences.

thankyou my cousin got his xfx 8800gt today suprised the crap out of me i didnt even know he ordered itand when he and my cousin threw it in it was fine installed the drivers loaded a game within 40seconds it started to artifact. he went into ntune set the fan to 100% went backinto the game and it just got worse he checked two more games then after a few trys he tried fry cry and the comp just froze he restarted and the card would not load anthing 3d then i took and tried it in my cpu and it wouldnt even boot. so i dont know if there all the same problems cause there not but there are deffinatly some cards that for whatever reason are faulty things like that always happen so to think everyone got a perfect card including spoon in rediculous. the reality of electronics is there is always th possibility of
failure or doa
edit:btw didnt mention the other card he got for sli worked just fine so its probally not a complete batch just some bad cards in diffrent batches

[SpoonMuffin]

thanks zek sorry i just get a little peeved when people call me a lier and want me banned for simply relaying my own experiances and information i was given dirrectly by the card makers own tech support rep.

tatty thank you, i was just trying to "help a friend" nothing more, and it turned into this sh!t....... makes me sad/angery :/

[JethroBodine]

I will say this about the situation:

1. Customer service reps likely know they could be fired instantly for telling the clients the number of calls they've taken in regard to an issue, and saying things like "We've taken way too many calls about this product". Such proclamations are released after management and legal departments have reviewed a statement.
I think anyone who has worked for a corporation will agree with me on this- customer service people are trained to help individual clients with their issues, not make sweeping negative statements about the products of the company they work for.

2. BFG themselves has told NVIDIA they are not having abnormal returns on this product. I have no reason to doubt that management at NVIDIA lied to me about this, it's their livelihood on the line.

So I guess readers here are left with the decision:
Do we believe a customer service rep risked his job by bashing his company's products to the customers, and then the company lied to NVIDIA, and I in turn lied for them?
Or does this story just not add up?

If you're working, and don't own the company, think about what would happen to you if you were caught telling customers "Our new products are all defective".

I think that alone pretty much makes this story dubious.

[rougal]

Originally Posted by SpoonMuffin

this situation reminds me of when somebody posted about the bad ps2 optical drives and everybody was allover his ass because their was no "proof" and sony denied it, same deal, he got linched by sony fans.........dispite the fact that he didnt do anything but TRY AND HELP and let people know it may have been wise to wait a few weeks/months for the problem units get off shelves.(my buddy eli had to take his back 6 times to bb b4 he got one that didnt fail in the extended bb warr period)

Same stuff been said at Pc Perspective Forum.

http://forums.pcper.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33

[Tatty_One]

Originally Posted by JethroBodine

I will say this about the situation:

1. Customer service reps likely know they could be fired instantly for telling the clients the number of calls they've taken in regard to an issue, and saying things like "We've taken way too many calls about this product". Such proclamations are released after management and legal departments have reviewed a statement.
I think anyone who has worked for a corporation will agree with me on this- customer service people are trained to help individual clients with their issues, not make sweeping negative statements about the products of the company they work for.

2. BFG themselves has told NVIDIA they are not having abnormal returns on this product. I have no reason to doubt that management at NVIDIA lied to me about this, it's their livelihood on the line.

So I guess readers here are left with the decision:
Do we believe a customer service rep risked his job by bashing his company's products to the customers, and then the company lied to NVIDIA, and I in turn lied for them?
Or does this story just not add up?

If you're working, and don't own the company, think about what would happen to you if you were caught telling customers "Our new products are all defective".

I think that alone pretty much makes this story dubious.

You have addressed the issues with customer service reps in general but have not commented on my post at post 69? Are you saying that there are no "issues" and all the many people out there raising those issues on forums including EVGA's own forum are just making these issues up? If thats the case you are kind of implying that they have received the cards and are RMAing them for no reason, there clearly ARE some serious issues but perhaps for only a small % of the cards which may equate to a few hundred out of several thousand sales already, if that is the case then SpoonMuffin is not wrong to highlight this in these forums and whether you like the idea or not, that is what Tech forums are for, as I said before, I am not in the slightest bit interested in what an OEM says or it's customer service rep says, I care about hearing about issues that 8800GT owneres are encountering, even if they be only a small % of otherwise happy owners. Damn there are people in these forums already hitting near 16,500 points in 3D Mark 2006 with these cards, it's pretty safe to say they are outstanding value for the performance, you seem to be focussing on Spoonmuffins reasons behind starting this thread but seem to be ignoring the fact that whatever his reasons are....there does appear to be a problem, I agree he does not help his case (no offense spoon) when he says dont buy anything brand new but then in another sentance says to get the new ATi card when released.