Intel Newb ?: 6x00 vs. 6x50

RottnJP · Dec 22, 2007

O.K., I apologize in advance if this is laid out somewhere, and I just haven't found it- feel free to just refer me to a juicy old thread without busting my chops too bad- I *did* search!

Why do the 6x00 CPU's command a premium? The only thing I've seen is they have a 10x mult compared to x8... That can't be all there is too it, can it? I mean, if you pick the right mobo you may get a better OC at the system level by dropping the multiplier anyway, right?

I'm getting ready to put my old FX-55 warrior out to pasture (well, light duty as my wife's office machine, anyway) and have been looking at the 6700 or 6750... Why the heck does the 6700 cost more than the 6850??

Thanks for any help!! :toast:

hat · Dec 22, 2007

I would like to know as well.

btarunr · Dec 22, 2007

because 6x00 (Conroe 1066) were released before 6x50 (Conroe 1333). Intel released the Conroe 1333 with aggressive pricing. (because AMD was slashing it's prices at that time) The 1066 parts stayed and their prices weren't slashed to encourage buying a conroe1333 (and the chipset that supported it (Intel P31/P35/G33/G31))

The Conroe 1066 parts you now see in the market are left-overs, Intel doesn't produce them anymore, some of them were recalled and rebadged into the Celeron Dual-Core E2xxx.

erocker · Dec 23, 2007

Also the 6850 has a x9 multi and the 6700 has a x10 multi, generally the higher the multi the more expensive the chip as well, plus what btarunr said..

btarunr · Dec 23, 2007

well a multiplier can't be the cause of $50 gaps between equivalent models.

hat · Dec 23, 2007

btarunr is a pretty valueble part of the community, heh

Ripper3 · Dec 23, 2007

No, bu the can cause gaps of $100 or something just as absurd, just look at the old Athlon 64s, there was the 3500+, still reasonably priced, at something like £175 at the time, then the 3800+ cost something like £250, and the main difference the end user would notice was that they were using different multiplier values (11x for 3500+ and 12x for 3800+). The truth was, the architecture behind them was slightly different, the 3500+ was a Winchester core, made on 90nm manufacturing process, and the 3800+ was a 130nm Clawhammer. The dfferences inside madethe difference.
Maybe this is the same case, not only Intel didn't slash to prices, to increase adoption of newer technologies, but also, there's the fact that the architecture might have been more expensive, including the price for every 1000 units, meaning the resellers need to have a price premium to recoup their costs.

hat said:
btarunr is a pretty valueble part of the community, heh

QFT

btarunr · Dec 23, 2007

hat said:
btarunr is a pretty valueble part of the community, heh

I've got a 10% thanks rate. Thank you Hat!

QFT = ?

Ripper3 · Dec 23, 2007

btarunr said:
I've got a 10% thanks rate. Thank you Hat!

QFT = ?

Heh, I've had to look up an awful lot of these stupid internet phrases, and I've ended up just picking them up along the way.
QFT = Quoted For Truth

RottnJP · Dec 23, 2007

Oh, oh, maybe I can get a "Thanks" if I'm fast enough! "Quite F'ing True"

So, it sounds like, knowing I'm going to OC it, the 6750 is looking like a pretty solid choice.

Thanks guys! Great to get such a fast knowledgable response!!

RottnJP · Dec 23, 2007

Ripper3 said:
QFT = Quoted For Truth

LOL- I suppose that works too, but mine is the way I hear it from the voices in my head... :toast:

btarunr · Dec 23, 2007

Quite f****...........lol Ripper can't be that gross.

Ripper3 · Dec 23, 2007

RottnJP said:
Oh, oh, maybe I can get a "Thanks" if I'm fast enough! "Quite F'ing True"

So, it sounds like, knowing I'm going to OC it, the 6750 is looking like a pretty solid choice.

Thanks guys! Great to get such a fast knowledgable response!!

WOW! I beat someone to a reply for once! Heh

The Core 2 Duos all overclock quite well, of course YMMV, and your stepping will be a big indicator here. As far as I know the B2 stepping of the earlier chips were good overclockers (have an E6300 B2 myself but not exactly pushed it very far, but it's running at 2.86GHz with 1.35v, and I could probably lower the voltage, but I'm just seeing if I can break it in a bit more first), and the newer G0 steppings (which the Q6600 SLACR or something is part of, and is very overclockable,a nd very popular, selling like hot cakes at £150-160 here, and can usualy get from 2.4GHz all the way to 3.6GHz without much effort). I think the L2 was not so good, with a forum thread I read, while searching for overclocks on the E6300s, showing that any increase of FSB, with the stock/highest multiplier, would usually not work, and lowering it by 1x, would, but it would still require excessive voltage, etc. Might have been just a few cases, but, meh, don't know, don't own one.
If you're getting one from the E6x50 range though, I think they're all quite 'clockable, being on G0 steppings mostly, if I remember rightly.

Ripper3 · Dec 23, 2007

RottnJP said:
LOL- I suppose that works too, but mine is the way I hear it from the voices in my head...

Well, I won't disagree with the voices in your head, but mine are a little cleaner. Think it's my conscience though, most of the time. Waste of resources I say.

btarunr said:
Quite f****...........lol Ripper can't be that gross.

Dunno what's so gross about the word itself, but only the actual implied meaning could be seen as obscene or gross really. I guess it's each to his own.

EDIT: Sorry for double post, heh.

Fitseries3 · Dec 23, 2007

RottnJP said:
Oh, oh, maybe I can get a "Thanks" if I'm fast enough! "Quite F'ing True"

So, it sounds like, knowing I'm going to OC it, the 6750 is looking like a pretty solid choice.

Thanks guys! Great to get such a fast knowledgable response!!

the 1066 conroe's overclock a lot easier and farther than the 1333's do. i have an e6700 for sale that has a 10x multi and i can guauranty 3.9ghz on it, if anyone is interested. the e6700 would be better than the e6750.

Fitseries3 · Dec 23, 2007

btarunr said:
price, son

they're going for $170 on ebay used. does that sound resonable? it's a damn good chip.

Fitseries3 · Dec 23, 2007

btarunr said:
no. that sounds pathetic. people are selling Q6600s used for $195.

bullshit... one guy has a B3 q6600 for $195 on here and now everyone thinks they can get chips super cheap. i can do $160 at best. it's FLAWLESS and comes in retail box with cooler. i still have the reciept from newegg and it's less than 4 months old. it's barely used at all.

Fitseries3 · Dec 23, 2007

btarunr said:
nope. But thanks for the offer nevertheless.

i wasn't offering it to you.

Fitseries3 · Dec 23, 2007

btarunr said:
but well we were conversing on that you were convincing. I merely thanked you on everybody's behalf for that wonderful offer.

i notice your sarcasm. how nice.

RottnJP · Dec 23, 2007

BWOOP! BWOOP! BWOOP! Hijacking in progress- Gentlemen, shoulder your e-peens, and return to the topic at hand.

Which was, IIRC: F'ing: "Gross" or "Awesome"?

I say, it's a great process- nothing gross about it. I'm a big fan, and highly recommend it!!
:rockout:

Actually, I'm curious about the comment above that the 1066's overclock "easier and farther." Specifics- Why do you say that? I would think, just being a newb to intle OC'ing, a good board that's a match for the 6750'2 bus speed (i.e. P35) would do just as well, or potentially better...

btarunr · Dec 23, 2007

Ok I'll do us a favour and delete all my off-topic posts on this thread. :toast:

trog100 · Dec 23, 2007

i have just bought the e6750 cos of its nice price.. it has the x 8 multiplier.. 8 x 333 = 2.66 gig..

but i wish i had a higher one.. its the 8 x multiplier thats holding things back.. having to run a 500/2000 fsb to get 4 gigs aint exactly ideal..

the e6850 with its 9 x multiplier would make the 4 gig and over mark far easier for me..

with an fsb at round 450/1800-ish both the mobo and memory would have it far easier..

soo i recon the higher multiplier is pretty usefull.. the e6750 with its x8 multiplier dosnt help..

trog

ps.. my board is an abit ip35 pro by the way.. and 4 gigs might sound high but its what i intended to aim for.. 3.6 is cruising

Fitseries3 · Dec 23, 2007

trog100 said:
i have just bought the e6750 cos of its nice price.. it has the x 8 multiplier.. 8 x 333 = 2.66 gig..

but i wish i had a higher one.. its the 8 x multiplier thats holding things back.. having to run a 500 fsb to get 4 gigs aint exactly ideal..

the e6850 with its 9 x multiplier would make the 4 gig and over mark far easier for me..

with an fsb at round 450-ish both the mobo and memory would have it far easier..

soo i recon the higher multiplier is pretty usefull.. the e6750 with its x8 multiplier dosnt help..

trog

ps.. my board is an abit ip35 pro by the way.. and 4 gigs might sound high but its what i intended to aim for.. 3.6 is cruising

EXACTLY. i can hit high clocks at a lower FSB. i can hit 4ghz at 10 x 400 at 1.47v i just dont like the temps too well and the speed isn't needed in my HTPC. i just run it at 3.2ghz(320x10 at stock voltage) the farthest i ever got my e6700 was 4.3ghz@1.56v now that i've got water i should try harder. i bet i can get it to 4.5ghz. it's a great chip, but i want another q6600 to play with. that's why im selling it.

RottnJP · Dec 23, 2007

O.K., that makes sense.... So does the C2D 6600 also run a 10x like the 6700? So what's the story on the Q's? 6600, 6700 both run x10?

kwchang007 · Dec 23, 2007

RottnJP said:
O.K., that makes sense.... So does the C2D 6600 also run a 10x like the 6700? So what's the story on the Q's? 6600, 6700 both run x10?

No, the 6600s use 9x multiplers.

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