Crossfire X Thread

i_dog_69 · Jan 1, 2008

Hey guys im not an AMD fanboy or anything but im intreuged by the new technology tht is crossfire x. im opening this thread to everyone who has question and answers about this new technology. ill start the inquiries by asking what mobo's could and should support this new tech as well as wondering about the rumor that you can use the cards in any combination of graphics and physics processing you want. who's got the answer?? bring it on.. :rockout:

imperialreign · Jan 1, 2008

details are still a bit sketchy - the only thing that has really been pointed at is that it will allow xFire between dissimilar GPUs, i.e. using a 1650 & 1950, or a 2900 & 1850, or a 1300 & 2600, etc.

not sure what chipsets will be capable of handling this - but I get the feeling that AMD/ATI will back date it to older chipsets (Intel allowing) through means of BIOS updates . . . personally, I'd really like to see this support work down to the i975X chipset, seeing as how there is still ample life left in it.

acperience7 · Jan 1, 2008

It should work on the Intel X48 boards, and any combo of cards will work.

Question@imperialreign: So I could throretically use a 2900XT/3870/3850/X1950, and the 38XX cards will operate at X16, but the other cards will operate at X8?

imperialreign · Jan 1, 2008

It should work on the Intel X48 boards, and any combo of cards will work.

Question@imperialreign: So I could throretically use a 2900XT/3870/3850/X1950, and the 38XX cards will operate at X16, but the other cards will operate at X8?

I'm guessing it would depend entirelly on the chipset limitations themselves, and how it handles the PCIE BUS. Some chipsets operate in x16/x4 in xFire, some in x16/x16, and some in x8/x8, etc. The one thing that AMD/ATI have made certain to point out is the ability to xFire between dissimilar cards on selected chipsets. We already know they've licensed the CrossfireX technology to Intel for chipsets, so hopefully we'll see if slowly desecend into some slightly older performance chipsets.

I do wonder, though - with Crossfire X being right around the corner . . . how much longer will it be before ATI starts dropping their physics Crossfire . . . they rumor that it'll have the same capabilities between dissimilar cards . . .

kwchang007 · Jan 1, 2008

I have to wonder how this is going to pan out. Is it just me that thinks this is going to require more resources to pull off? Like because of the unlike cards so you can't just say one is going to produce half the frames and the other the other half. And what about overclocking? Overclock each card separately now? Going to be some crazy driver designing for this...or that's what I think at least.

ShadowFold · Jan 1, 2008

So if I have a HD 3850 and I get a HD 3670 and crossfire them... it will work?

imperialreign · Jan 1, 2008

So if I have a HD 3850 and I get a HD 3670 and crossfire them... it will work?

If I interpreteped all of AMD/ATI's comments of the new Crossfire implimentation they will. Only time will tell, though.

I have to wonder how this is going to pan out. Is it just me that thinks this is going to require more resources to pull off? Like because of the unlike cards so you can't just say one is going to produce half the frames and the other the other half. And what about overclocking? Overclock each card separately now? Going to be some crazy driver designing for this...or that's what I think at least.

I think between AMD and ATI, they can defi pull it off - asides, if it works out without too much of a hitch, it'll give them a major advantage over nVidia when it comes to multi-GPU setups.

ShadowFold · Jan 1, 2008

Honestly they already have better multi gpu setups. Crossfire has alot better scalability I read.

imperialreign · Jan 1, 2008

Honestly they already have better multi gpu setups. Crossfire has alot better scalability I read.

well . . . it depends, I guess . . . from what I understand, ATI's Crossfire is a lot more effiecient and effective than nVidia's SLI, mostly due to how ATI GPU's can effectively tile images and whatnot - I might be wrong, though . . .

but, I think it mostly comes down to the motherboard chipset and how effectively it can allow communication between the cards - even without the bridge connectors. It doesn't matter how fast two or more cards can communicate if they're being hampered buy BUS speeds.

AphexDreamer · Jan 1, 2008

Hmmm, I have the ASUS M3A32-MVP Delux Series and it claims to have CrossFire X(its says so on the box and manual).

So if it has CrossFire X and 4 PCIe Slots, can I use my 2900Pro in conjuction with my X1300???

Or will that not work, will it even help with performance. Regardless that would be cool.

imperialreign · Jan 1, 2008

Hmmm, I have the ASUS M3A32-MVP Delux Series and it claims to have CrossFire X(its says so on the box and manual).

So if it has CrossFire X and 4 PCIe Slots, can I use my 2900Pro in conjuction with my X1300???

hell . . . if nothin else, you could give it a shot! It's not like it would hurt anything. A second GPu would help even the slightest bit - if for nothing more than just being able to swap and render textures a little quicker.

I would think, though, that based on the chipset, the modes both cars run at in xFire mode would slow things down the most . . . a X1300 running at x8 wouldn't be nearly as fast as in x16 partnered with a more recent card. At least ATI's Crossfire-X would allow most of us with somewhat older hardware to get a bit of a boost . . . too bad I think they only limit it to X1000+ series, whioch excludes the X700 and X800 lineup.

AphexDreamer · Jan 1, 2008

imperialreign said:
hell . . . if nothin else, you could give it a shot! It's not like it would hurt anything. A second GPu would help even the slightest bit - if for nothing more than just being able to swap and render textures a little quicker.

I would think, though, that based on the chipset, the modes both cars run at in xFire mode would slow things down the most . . . a X1300 running at x8 wouldn't be nearly as fast as in x16 partnered with a more recent card. At least ATI's Crossfire-X would allow most of us with somewhat older hardware to get a bit of a boost . . . too bad I think they only limit it to X1000+ series, whioch excludes the X700 and X800 lineup.

Well I guess I'll try it, I have no Idea how I would do it though, hmmm I will have to read up on it.

imperialreign · Jan 1, 2008

Well I guess I'll try it, I have no Idea how I would do it though, hmmm I will have to read up on it.

I'd fathom to say . . . download the latest CAT drivers - turn off your rig and istall your second VGA adapter into the secondary PCI-E slot; boot up and install the newest CAT driver for the new hardware.

Then, open up CCC and see if there is some form of Crossfire option available . . .

. . . at least, that's how we have to do it for similar GPU setups . . . I can't imagine ther'd be much difference for dissimilar . . .

AphexDreamer · Jan 1, 2008

imperialreign said:
I'd fathom to say . . . download the latest CAT drivers - turn off your rig and istall your second VGA adapter into the secondary PCI-E slot; boot up and install the newest CAT driver for the new hardware.

Then, open up CCC and see if there is some form of Crossfire option available . . .

. . . at least, that's how we have to do it for similar GPU setups . . . I can't imagine ther'd be much difference for dissimilar . . .

Yeah, I'll try it, I'm just waiting for my new Thermal Paste to get here before I install the MotherBoard.

Dam basterds don't seem to have shipped it yet. :mad:

AphexDreamer · Jan 1, 2008

lol, dude look at what I found

http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?p=3421207

"Hey guys im not an AMD fanboy or anything but im intreuged by the new technology tht is crossfire x. im opening this thread to everyone who has question and answers about this new technology. ill start the inquiries by asking what mobo's could and should support this new tech as well as wondering about the rumor that you can use the cards in any combination of graphics and physics processing you want. who's got the answer?? bring it on.."

Who copyed who lol.

Dude thats trippy, it like copyed all of the first three posts or something???

btarunr · Jan 1, 2008

Okay let me start contributing to this thread with the crossfire interconnect bridge configuration with using four compatible ATI cards. I hope you can follow this schematic diagram. Note than card #1 and #4 aren't connected. This topology was devised to help even those boards that have the PCI-E slots spread apart so there's no need for an interconnect between cards #1 and #4.

MS Paint FTW :rockout:

imperialreign · Jan 1, 2008

lol, dude look at what I found

http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?p=3421207

"Hey guys im not an AMD fanboy or anything but im intreuged by the new technology tht is crossfire x. im opening this thread to everyone who has question and answers about this new technology. ill start the inquiries by asking what mobo's could and should support this new tech as well as wondering about the rumor that you can use the cards in any combination of graphics and physics processing you want. who's got the answer?? bring it on.."

Who copyed who lol.

Dude thats trippy, it like copyed all of the first three posts or something???

verbatim per verbatim :twitch:

that kinda irritates me, TBH

AphexDreamer · Jan 1, 2008

imperialreign said:
verbatim per verbatim

that kinda irritates me, TBH

Dude, how the hells does that happen, is there like another forum that just copys all the stuff we discuss or what???

:twitch:

btarunr · Jan 1, 2008

WTF!!

Who are these copy shits. Okay I'm on its trail....

AphexDreamer · Jan 1, 2008

btarunr said:
WTF!!

Who are these copy shits. Okay I'm on its trail....

I know right, I just discovered them on accident, I AM SO CONFUSED RIGHT NOW!!!!

WHo the hell copyed who LOL.

ITS JUST LIKE YOU WROTE IT, just like you said "Verbatim"

Sorry to go of topic, but I'm just speachless??

btarunr · Jan 1, 2008

I've sent a message to its webmaster.

Sue. The sweet three letter word

imperialreign · Jan 1, 2008

Dude, how the hells does that happen, is there like another forum that just copys all the stuff we discuss or what???

IDK - but it'd be interesting to see how their thread pans out :laugh:

btarunr said:
Okay let me start contributing to this thread with the crossfire interconnect bridge configuration with using four compatible ATI cards. I hope you can follow this schematic diagram. Note than card #1 and #4 aren't connected. This topology was devised to help even those boards that have the PCI-E slots spread apart so there's no need for an interconnect between cards #1 and #4.

MS Paint FTW

I kinda figured that's how it'd work . . . makes me wonder, though, if the card's might communicate better if the the bridge would span to 2 or more cards instead of just one . . . as in, you'd have a two seperate bridges that could run the slots of all four cards, instead of having to Jacob's Ladder them.

AphexDreamer · Jan 1, 2008

btarunr said:
I've sent a message to its webmaster.

ok kool, I mean Honoestly are we that kool.. :cool:

I BET they are reading this as we speak, and are going "oh shit, oh shit, they found us."

btarunr · Jan 1, 2008

Does anyone have a whois application here? perform a whois for http://techarena.in

Let's nail the b******

the whois can reveal the webmaster's name and address.

AphexDreamer · Jan 1, 2008

btarunr said:
Does anyone have a whois application here? perform a whois for http://techarena.in

Let's nail the bastard

not quite sure what you mean, but I went to Whois.net and search the site, this is what came up...

WHOIS information for: techarena.in:

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Don't know if the link works.
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