HIS Radeon HD 3870 X2 1 GB - Page 3

wtf8269 · 01-28-2008, 02:42 PM

It's quite obvious that this card shines in higher resolutions-which is what I need. I need to run 1600x1200 for my LCD. I just purchased two of these; can't wait to get the rest of the system together. It may not be the most efficient card or the quietest, but I'm not particularly concerned about that. It's not as high of a performance card as I would have liked, but I think two of these should do a great job of lasting me most of the way through college.

tigger · 01-28-2008, 02:43 PM

Wow nice,i cant wait to see some benchies with two of 'em.

Jelle Mees · 01-28-2008, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rampage

yes i agree, crysis is very GPU limited and hence the need for a good card, im what i think most people are trying to get at is cpu speed has to have some effect in general gaming, or why do we all even bother overclocking our pc's if it dosnt help???

It does, but CPU overclock doesn't do you much good in CryEngine 2. An overclock WILL provide you way better performance in UnrealEngine 3 games, Source Engine games, in fact, most games will get a huge performance boost, Crysis just isn't one of them.

trog100 · 01-28-2008, 02:57 PM

crysis played the same on my amd system as it does on my current 4 gig wolfdlale system..

a faster cpu will only benefit if artificially low resolutions are used.. or with older games that already run more than enough frame rates.. supreme commander being a special case.. all those units aint driven by the grafix card..

trog

Tatty_One · 01-28-2008, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HookeyStreet

Awesome review, but I think the tests would have been more accurate if a better CPU was used (IMHO, all of these current cards need a C2D/C2Q of at least 3.2Gz speed to push them along)

I agree totally but W1z does his reviews from the "average consumer" angle and what the average guy (and therefore does not overclock) can expect to get from a system containing in this case a HD3870 x2.

You could argue thats in relative terms, the G92 8800GTS overclocks a bit more than the HD3870 (650mhz - 825mhz) and therefore would beat it in a few more than the exisiting 5 or 6 benches it already beats it in.

Urbklr · 01-28-2008, 03:00 PM

Crysis GPU limited??.....I find this interesting, let me clock my e6550 stock, run the timedemo and then come back, im pretty sure the performance will be held back quite a bit. I ran my cpu at 3.4 then 3.44, and there was a FPS improvement....

Tatty_One · 01-28-2008, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wtf8269

It's quite obvious that this card shines in higher resolutions-which is what I need. I need to run 1600x1200 for my LCD. I just purchased two of these; can't wait to get the rest of the system together. It may not be the most efficient card or the quietest, but I'm not particularly concerned about that. It's not as high of a performance card as I would have liked, but I think two of these should do a great job of lasting me most of the way through college.

Lets just hope you get a QX9650 running at 4.5gig+ to realise the full potential!!

trog100 · 01-28-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tatty_One

Lets just hope you get a QX9650 running at 4.5gig+ to realise the full potential!!

do i detect some "humour" there tatty..

trog

Urbklr · 01-28-2008, 03:12 PM

Crysis- CPU 3.44GHz Card stock- 32FPS Average, Min 18, Max 38
Card 830/900- 34FPS Average, Min 23, Max 41
3.4GHz Card 830/900- 29FPS Average, Min 20, Max 34

That looks like a pretty decent boost, 34FPS vs 29FPS....

Tatty_One · 01-28-2008, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trog100

do i detect some "humour" there tatty..

trog

I am FULL of it......humour that is

Have you not heard the old saying?......

"two HD3870 x2 on a slow CPU equall one HD3870 x2 on a fast CPU"

......yeah OK I just made it up but it sounds good to me!

AsRock · 01-28-2008, 03:20 PM

Would be nice to see how it does with Armed Assault \Combat Operations.

Jelle Mees · 01-28-2008, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbklr911

Crysis GPU limited??.....I find this interesting, let me clock my e6550 stock, run the timedemo and then come back, im pretty sure the performance will be held back quite a bit. I ran my cpu at 3.4 then 3.44, and there was a FPS improvement....

Maybe this might convince you:
http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.a...tno=499&pgno=3

As you can see, if you play Crysis on 1600x1200, there is only 6% difference between the E6320 and the QX6700 while in reality the QX6700 is more then 50% faster then the E6320!

gR3iF · 01-28-2008, 03:23 PM

Some good new Drivers would be good.

W1zz:
What about comparism between a 3870x2 and a crossfire 3870. Then we can see what amd really did.

trog100 · 01-28-2008, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbklr911

Crysis- CPU 3.44GHz Card stock- 32FPS Average, Min 18, Max 38
Card 830/900- 34FPS Average, Min 23, Max 41
3.4GHz Card 830/900- 29FPS Average, Min 20, Max 34

That looks like a pretty decent boost, 34FPS vs 29FPS....

u have to be running a very low resolution and settings for that to happen.. it dosnt happen with higher ones.. the lower the resolution and setting the higher the gain..

at the resolutions and settings i played the game at its pretty much pure grafix card limited..

it all comes down to the resolution and settings.. but what u see isnt the same as what i see thats for sure.. at 1680 x 1050 high settings i see next to no gain from with messing with high or low cpu speeds..

trog

W1zzard · 01-28-2008, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gR3iF

What about comparism between a 3870x2 and a crossfire 3870. Then we can see what amd really did.

I dont have two 3870 cards

Urbklr · 01-28-2008, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trog100

u have to be running a very low resolution and settings for that to happen.. it dosnt happen with higher ones.. the lower the resolution and setting the higher the gain..

at the resolutions and settings i played the game at its pretty much pure grafix card limited..

it all comes down to the resolution and settings..

trog

I was running at 1280x1024 all high, with DX10 water....and sunshafts, and it happened....But i guess that isnt that high of a resolution. But for the 5FPS increase from the very slight clock difference, that's pretty good...

trog100 · 01-28-2008, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gR3iF

Some good new Drivers would be good.

W1zz:
What about comparism between a 3870x2 and a crossfire 3870. Then we can see what amd really did.

not a lot from reading other places.. its crossfire on one card..

trog

TUngsten · 01-28-2008, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

I dont have two 3870 cards

that's just plain wrong!!!

trog100 · 01-28-2008, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbklr911

I was running at 1280x1024 all high, with DX10 water....and sunshafts, and it happened....But i guess that isnt that high of a resolution. But for the 5FPS increase from the very slight clock difference, that's pretty good...

yes it does seem to be a gain.. but u wont see the same in the gpu bench.. how the cpu bench gain pans out in the game i dont know but i dont think it would be noticable..

overall its grafix card limited.. faster grafix card.. big gain.. faster cpu very small not really noticeable gain..

trog

Jelle Mees · 01-28-2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trog100

overall its grafix card limited.. faster grafix card.. big gain.. faster cpu very small not really noticeable gain..

Yep

pt · 01-28-2008, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

added the "performance summary" page to the review .. ouch ..

ouch?

BullGod · 01-28-2008, 05:33 PM

Well imo this card is a total disappointment. That's why it got an 8. Are you people blind? The performance is crap. It was faster than the other cards only in old games that run at 100 fps plus. Where is the gain in that? You don't need more than 100 fps. You do need more than 30 tho. In most games that go under 100fps it was not the fastest card. So what are you really getting here?

BullGod · 01-28-2008, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pt

ouch?

yeah ouch. It only outperforms the GTX by 5%. Were talking about a card here that is more than a year old and this one uses two GPU's just manages to be faster by such a small margin. And yeah the ultra usually outperforms the GTX by 10 to 15% so I guess that's why he didn't include it in the review...

rampage · 01-28-2008, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BullGod

Well imo this card is a total disappointment. That's why it got an 8. Are you people blind? The performance is crap. It was faster than the other cards only in old games that run at 100 fps plus. Where is the gain in that? You don't need more than 100 fps. You do need more than 30 tho. In most games that go under 100fps it was not the fastest card. So what are you really getting here?

i think this more to the point, we all know we cant expect a 100% performance increase or even a 50% increase but what we recieved was a 5% in "relative Performance", with a 19>36% performance hit in the "perfromance per watt" comparision and with prices simlar or slightly more expecive to is compition (prices taken from Australian market)

(these results are taken from W1zzards from resualts as you may have gathered)

p.s. come to think of it i dont think we will see w1zzard comming out saying well here you go, but btw its crap...... (if this is what he thinks, its only me guessing here)....

DaMulta · 01-28-2008, 06:31 PM

Look what popped up at XS

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Originally Posted by zbogorgon

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...eply&p=2731988

01-28-2008, 02:42 PM	#51
wtf8269 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,780 (1.06/day) Thanks: 33 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts System Specs	It's quite obvious that this card shines in higher resolutions-which is what I need. I need to run 1600x1200 for my LCD. I just purchased two of these; can't wait to get the rest of the system together. It may not be the most efficient card or the quietest, but I'm not particularly concerned about that. It's not as high of a performance card as I would have liked, but I think two of these should do a great job of lasting me most of the way through college. __________________ My next PC needs a different motherboard. My Xfire. Feel free to add me.

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01-28-2008, 02:43 PM	#52
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01-28-2008, 02:57 PM	#54
trog100 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,401 (3.07/day) Thanks: 5 Thanked 260 Times in 233 Posts System Specs	crysis played the same on my amd system as it does on my current 4 gig wolfdlale system.. a faster cpu will only benefit if artificially low resolutions are used.. or with older games that already run more than enough frame rates.. supreme commander being a special case.. all those units aint driven by the grafix card.. trog

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01-28-2008, 03:00 PM	#56
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01-28-2008, 05:33 PM	#72
BullGod Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Medias City Posts: 261 (0.35/day) Thanks: 8 Thanked 31 Times in 29 Posts	Well imo this card is a total disappointment. That's why it got an 8. Are you people blind? The performance is crap. It was faster than the other cards only in old games that run at 100 fps plus. Where is the gain in that? You don't need more than 100 fps. You do need more than 30 tho. In most games that go under 100fps it was not the fastest card. So what are you really getting here?

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