NVIDIA tells us the truth about CrossFire

My first post but I think with ATI's supply problem in the past with the x800 series, I am going to stick with Nvidia. At least they deliver what they say they are going to. ATI hasn't been reliable since the 9800 series video cards. IMHO....

ATI still basically sucks for the most part, which is too bad, because they certainly have potential to knock nVidia out of the smaller Linux market.

Maybe in 2006...?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

My first post but I think with ATI's supply problem in the past with the x800 series, I am going to stick with Nvidia. At least they deliver what they say they are going to. ATI hasn't been reliable since the 9800 series video cards. IMHO....

Uh.... so what good cards Nvidia made during the 9800 era?

The Dustbuster Geforce series?

Heya,

Seems to me nVidia is on top, and with the head start they've got perhaps it'll stay with em for awhile. I for one recall not so long ago the driver problems outta ATI and how long it took em to get it right. nVidia has had their share of problems in the past as well, that’s no doubt. The thing that gets me is ATI has given good focus on the home theater side of things for awhile, but it seems lacking in their current chipset as well the new set coming. All the while the 7800 has stepped up to the plate and is doing quite well with home theater and HD support. In the end I do enjoy the rivalry between the two; it helps keep the shiny new cards coming. Frankly I am not gonna hold my breath for what ATI releases, nor nVidia. I'll wait and see what they actually release and sum up that nVidia rules yet again ;P

Enjoy,
RedR

you all sound like a bunch of ATi fanboys

[AMDCam]

Well there's definitely some bias things in there (Ntune compared between SLI and crossfire?), but ATI really does need to get their act together. Nvidia has had the 7800GTX out for months, SLI out for almost a year, and ATI is still working on both to compare against them. Both don't dissappoint either, that 7800GTX is a beast, just like it was supposed to be. I used to prefer ATI over Nvidia because they didn't take shortcuts to make things cheap, but now they're turning into what I hated about Nvidia. I'm buying a 6800 Ultra for my system, screw ATI's X800 series. No one ever heard of that, it just came out of the blue (X800GT, GTO, GTO2), but their new cards we've waited for for months. Plus, those new X800's are STILL too expensive, and out-of-date. I love Nvidia now, sorry ATI. Their glory days are gone for at least a small amount of time (until they release their stuff), and hopefully they won't permanently be but it doesn't look too good. They beat Nvidia with the last generation stuff, but now Nvidia has ATI beat when it counts (a few points higher with an X850 XT PE to the 6800 ultra, a few thousand points higher with the 7800GTX to the X850 XT PE), so figure something out now.

[IsaacS]

Originally Posted by nutop

OH wow, because you know... x1800 benches are everywhere now that the nda has lifted and the card is out in stores.

thanks for pointing this out, retard

Nutop - I think you'll find out that you are the moron here. Of course you didn't know that even ATI's own CEO said roughly the same thing in a recent conferencee call to investors.

[kRaZeD]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

you all sound like a bunch of ATi fanboys

Pretty sure you will find that most of the replys have substance, and also that I own an nVidia video card.

So, stfu

If half the load at maximum is 1600x1200@60Hz - what is the total load maximum?

So the Sil 1161 recievers limited to 'single link TMDS @ 165 Mhz'.
So the master card will only recieve data from the slave at this limit - doesnt mean the total output is limited to this.
Isnt it the goal, that the 2 cards should share the load?

Or perhaps it isnt as simple as that

Well, I was going to get a 7800GTX, but NVidia just lost all of my support. I'll wait for the x1800 now. This is amazingly stupid. I'm ripping my 6800GT OC out of my comp and selling it right away, even if I have to step down to a 9600XT and wait for a new mobo/x1800. Wow.

Originally Posted by NightOps

Well, I was going to get a 7800GTX, but NVidia just lost all of my support. I'll wait for the x1800 now. This is amazingly stupid. I'm ripping my 6800GT OC out of my comp and selling it right away, even if I have to step down to a 9600XT and wait for a new mobo/x1800. Wow.

This is insane. Haha, ur going to choose your brand preference over a press release that is technically completly accurate? Every word on those slides is true (im positive nVidia would make damn sure of that), even if it is spun. Everything in the world is about spin, just like who ATI as telling the whole world that crossfire would be better than SLI, even when u looked at it and noticed that your crossfired board would not be compatable with even future ATI cards. Your master card would still be good if you wanted to upgrade from one x800 to another x800 (not really an upgrade), if you wanted to go to their x1800 or whatever ud need at least a new Crossfire Card, possibly a new motherboard (they havent talked about being forward-compatible). Nvidia is fixing all the quirkiness with SLI (which was a technology developed for the PCI bus you might remember) and its actually pretty good now. Crossfire still doesnt exist. So if you can tell me that YOUR Crossfire setup is better than MY SLI setup (which isnt very good, athlon64 3000, asus a8n sli deluxe, 2 6600gts) then ill buy you a cookie, but since you obviously cant, i think the cookie is safe.

Originally Posted by ShinyG

I knew that, but if I'm not mistaken there are no graphics cards to work in dual 16x (maybe Quadro's). And using two chipsets on one mobo just to overcome that is not exactly a thing to brag about...

The boards with 2 chipsets are dual opteron systems. At least, I've yet to see a uniprocessor setup with a 2nd chipset.

That 2nd chipset (the 2050 slave) offers an additional 32 PCIe (that or 24...whatever the 2200 offers, the 2050 has it as well), GigE, etc. The only board available that has these 2 chipsets (that I can find) is the Tyan K8WE. Supermicro supposively will release one, but I couldn't find any info on their site about it.

Technically, the Tyan K8WE (of which I use) has 3 chipsets, but the AMD 8131 can be ignored, as it just acts as a PCI-X tunnel. It's certainly a better solution that excluding the 2050 and limiting the PCI-E x16 slots to x8 capabilities like the IWILL DK8EW does (or the Tyan's 2892 board)



Personally, I much prefer nVidia's SLI setup, simply because an internal SLI bridge seems a much better method than an external dongle. Then again, I hate dongles.

As far as propaganda...are we surprised? I've heard just as much from the ATI side as the nVidia side. At least nVidia has a product to prove themselves...still no Crossfire.


(and to dispell any comments about bias...My desktop/server is an nvidia based K8WE w/ dual Opteron 246 & a 7800GTX. My laptop is an ATI Ferrari 4005WLMI, which sports a Turion on an Xpress 200 mobo & x700 video)


-NecessaryEvil

[Tera]

Originally Posted by NightOps

Well, I was going to get a 7800GTX, but NVidia just lost all of my support. I'll wait for the x1800 now. This is amazingly stupid. I'm ripping my 6800GT OC out of my comp and selling it right away, even if I have to step down to a 9600XT and wait for a new mobo/x1800. Wow.

Yooo NightOps I’ll buy it from ya real cheap, so you can prove your point, lets say 50$??!!! Then I’ll tell everyone on this forum that you actually had a 6800 GT, witch I think there is a lot of people that don’t believe. And for lets say 40$ I’ll even support you to change your alias to “ATI Playboy”… Opss Fanboy

When it comes to what professionals use, they don’t use Nvidia or ATI, yes I know they both have a Pro series like ATI FireGL and nVidia Quadro4 but “Real Professionals” doesn’t use them. There is a number of brands that we normal mortals almost never see or hear about. I don’t say that I know all about them because I don’t. Mainly they aren’t very good for games and the prices are outrageous compared to even the most expensive nVidia or ATI, but then again its only companies that buy them.
Opposite of ATI, nVidia once belonged to this ultra pro 3D hardware manufacturers.

You may argue for what reason they changed focus to consumer hardware, but my personal belief is that either it cost to match for a to small audience, or they had a hard time staying on the cutting edge of pro technology. This is a number of years ago witch explains way most ATI fanboys don’t know it, they were still using diapers.

When it comes to dual GPUs nVidia at least has some experienced developers that they to all our grief and sorrow acquired from 3dfx. Once again most ATI fanboys are clueless of what I’m talking about.

I still can’t see way so many are angry for this, don’t you know that all businesses does the same thing?

[4g0ny]

Nvidia vs ATI fans.. ofcourse..
although this is propaganda, and Nvidia is close to / crossing the line here, theres no doubt that its all true.. its all bs too cause for example.. even though x800 doesnt fully support hdr lighting, which means they didnt put it specifically on the gpu to support it with the least performance loss, they still can handle it.. and not with too much trouble either.. as for the pcie 16x hmm i wonder why they dont have that if they support pcie 32x lol .. this is sad of Nvidia.. but also a good marketing step, cause people who arent fanatics and still want good stuff, will check this out and believe it..
my only question is: what will ATI do to strike back.. this could come out too easy for them if they handle it well


me waits for ATI's response

[ShinyG]

Everybody is screwing ATi, it seems like. I hope you are all right and ATi goes bankrupt, so that Nvidia will buy them as they did with 3dfx, and then they will have a thing called "monopoly". All the Nvidia wackos will be so happy that they will pay a bucket of money for entry level cards, because, you see..., when you have control of the market, you dictate the price... Look at the graphic tablet market, where Wacom "rules" everything. A decent tablet costs more than a mid range graphics card and it doesn't even have that much technology in it... Can anybody say 300$ GeForce 7200 with 32 MB of 64 bit memory and that "magnificent" TurboCache!?!

So, I sincerely hope that ATi and brings back the equilibrium back in this race, or we will ALL loose...

[Polaris573]

Originally Posted by ShinyG

Everybody is screwing ATi, it seems like. I hope you are all right and ATi goes bankrupt, so that Nvidia will buy them as they did with 3dfx, and then they will have a thing called "monopoly". All the Nvidia wackos will be so happy that they will pay a bucket of money for entry level cards, because, you see..., when you have control of the market, you dictate the price... Look at the graphic tablet market, where Wacom "rules" everything. A decent tablet costs more than a mid range graphics card and it doesn't even have that much technology in it... Can anybody say 300$ GeForce 7200 with 32 MB of 64 bit memory and that "magnificent" TurboCache!?!

So, I sincerely hope that ATi and brings back the equilibrium back in this race, or we will ALL loose...

Hey! Someone brought a valuable bit of truth to an ATI vs. Nvidia battle. Think about what he said next time you're staunchly supporting a product for the sole reason that a certain arrangement of letters spells ATI, Nvidia, AMD, or Intel. Anyone can give reasons why one company is better than the other for one simple reason: ALL OF THEM HAVE HAD A PERIOD WHEN THEY WERE BETTER THAN THE COMPETITION! I will now step off my soapbox, thankyou.

loll i have X850 XT and i can run AA in 16 x i dont know where they take this !!!
yeah 7800 GTX beat x850 xt pe but like all people say wait for the next one from ati nvidia are very stoopid to said thing like that loll

and look anyone who post in this forum all people have ati card !! nvidia want to conquer the world but i dont think he will win !! ATI all the way !

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Uh.... so what good cards Nvidia made during the 9800 era?

The Dustbuster Geforce series?

hhahaha you have the good question !! and i have the anwser : NOTHING time of 9800 pro nvidia have nothing to face the monster of 9800 LOLLLL !!! next year it will be another thing

Originally Posted by Unregistered

This is insane. Haha, ur going to choose your brand preference over a press release that is technically completly accurate? Every word on those slides is true (im positive nVidia would make damn sure of that), even if it is spun. Everything in the world is about spin, just like who ATI as telling the whole world that crossfire would be better than SLI, even when u looked at it and noticed that your crossfired board would not be compatable with even future ATI cards. Your master card would still be good if you wanted to upgrade from one x800 to another x800 (not really an upgrade), if you wanted to go to their x1800 or whatever ud need at least a new Crossfire Card, possibly a new motherboard (they havent talked about being forward-compatible). Nvidia is fixing all the quirkiness with SLI (which was a technology developed for the PCI bus you might remember) and its actually pretty good now. Crossfire still doesnt exist. So if you can tell me that YOUR Crossfire setup is better than MY SLI setup (which isnt very good, athlon64 3000, asus a8n sli deluxe, 2 6600gts) then ill buy you a cookie, but since you obviously cant, i think the cookie is safe.

its stoopid what you said !! its not a beast your pc my little 3.6 / 2 gig of ddr2 / x850 xt pe / beat your little pc 2 time lol

For the issue on the Sil 1161:

http://www.penstarsys.com/#xfire_sil
http://www.penstarsys.com/#upd_xfire

(Same poster as above)

Also, Nvidia said that it would take at least 4 months for CrossFire to come onto the market from its announcement. No doubt they will know about it - SLI was announced in late June 2004, the first vendor PC using the NF4 SLI chipset was only announced in October 2004, and the chipset wasn't even available to the market until December 2004.

Obviously they drew from their own experience.

[kRaZeD]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

its stoopid what you said !! its not a beast your pc my little 3.6 / 2 gig of ddr2 / x850 xt pe / beat your little pc 2 time lol

When people can construct coherent sentances that have structure, and form, then i might believe them that they have a very nice computer.

But as it stands, with your shocking spelling, and non existant grammar i would say you are in the 11 - 13 year age group, and are sitting at home using a Celeron 1.2ghz with 128mb RAM on windowx XP home.

nVidia lies, ATI lies, what's the difference...

Both high end nVidia and ATI cards are better for certain games and worse for others... It's quite impossible to tell 'this one is the best'...

You simply have to choose card that's suited for your needs...
For me my FX5900 >> X850... simply due to pretty weak starting developer support of ATI (understand none).
If I was playing car simulators, I'd rather take ATI cards...
If I was playing RPG games (especially MMORPGs), I'd take no other than nVidia...
Why? Because most of games of certain type use similar or same engines and/or using similar algorithms that are coded to work best on one or other GPU.

my 2 cents ;-)

[AceFactor]

If anyone has done their 6800 Ultra vs X850xt (PE) homework, they will notice that they perform completely different to each other! Play Doom 3 with a 6800 Ultra, and it perform better than an X850XT (PE). However, if you play HL2 then the X850XT (PE) will perform greater than the 6800 Ultra.

The 6800x range of cards perform alot better with OpenGL than the Radeon X850x range of cards. If I had a 6800 Ultra, i would argue that it is way better, but that is just child like. I have an X850XT, which i have modded to X850XT PE, but i'm not going to go around discrediting every NVidia owner.

They all have their down-points, and unique features, but when it comes does to the crunch, they pretty much perform the same as each other, in that price bracket.

I agree with kRaZeD, if you have proof. .then people may listen to you, but if you're just noobing about how good this or that is- cause ur 12/13. .go away and grow up. .and before you ask. .i'm 2 month's from 18

Thats my lot.. .thanks for reading

-Adam