connect3d gto is modeable?

pmb · Oct 10, 2005

hi, this card its very cheap so.. its modeable to 16 pipelines?

nick255 · Oct 12, 2005

I have bought this card, and i have successfully modded it to 16 pipes, along with atleast another 5 people who have also said they have modded it too.

It remains to be seen if anybody has bought this card and has failed to mod it?

You could get this card and play the Ati lotto, this card has an R423 core (as far as the number of people have modded it have got R423 cores, not sure if there are any R480 c3d cards out there) and you might get one with a core that would have gone in an x800 xt or x800 xt pe card but seeing as ati's new cards they are dumping these cores in cheap cards to get rid of them.

It is cheaper than the gto2

vexen · Oct 13, 2005

hello, i just bough one and i would like to mod it, how did you do (im new to modding/oc'ing)

thanks!

nick255 · Oct 13, 2005

Okay the way i did it,
1) you need a ms dos bootdisk http://www.allbootdisks.com/disk_contents/dos.html
2) You need to download (atiflash for old method, modified flashrom for new) from this site, and the bios for the powercolor x800 xt pci express version
http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/Powercolor.X800XT.256.Samsung20.040616.bin (you might want to rename it to something shorter)

3) You can delete some stuff off the bootdisk to make room to put these files on or just stick them on another disk and swap them after boot.

Old method
4) after boot, type atiflash -s 0 c3dgto.bin - this will save ur current bios
5) type atiflash -f -p 0 (power color bios filename) -newbios - this will flash the powercolor bios
6) type atiflash -f -p 0 c3dgto.bin - this shall restore the old bios you saved previously

New method
4) after boot, type flashrom -s 0 c3dgto.bin - this will save ur current bios
5) flashrom -f -p 0 (modified c3d bios filename)

After this all the pipes should be unlocked.

W1zzard · Oct 13, 2005

could someone send me the original bios, so i can mod it to 16p ?

vexen · Oct 13, 2005

is there a way i can "export" the bios and send it to you? (im talking about the connect 3d one!)

Urlyin · Oct 13, 2005

vexen said:
is there a way i can "export" the bios and send it to you? (im talking about the connect 3d one!)

Use ATITool to dump the bios to a file you can send to W1zz

vexen · Oct 13, 2005

could you be more precise by "dump'ing" the bios? i have ati tool and i dont find

and a friend told me that it wasnt the best thing to flash the bios with another card 'publisher' (asus, abit, evga..) cause some voltages or important settings could be changed

thanks for answering

**edit : nevermind i found**

my core clocks are edited with ATItool, i dont know if this changes the bios... anyway, im sending it as an attached file

ShadowFlare · Oct 14, 2005

vexen said:
...

and a friend told me that it wasnt the best thing to flash the bios with another card 'publisher' (asus, abit, evga..) cause some voltages or important settings could be changed

...

Yes, that is true, but if you flash back to your original without restarting first, then it is just fine.

The new bios doesn't get used by the card until you restart.

W1zzard · Oct 14, 2005

for c3d gto mod info check out the gto² mod article page 4

locutus12 · Oct 14, 2005

just some info for people looking for a new card... i really would advise buying the Sapphire GTO2 over the connect or any GTO for a few technicle reasons...

Sapphire GTO2
samsung 1.6ns Samsung memory (as fitted on the X850XTPE, clocks to about 620mhz max (1240mhz effective)
R480 core as fitted on the X850XTPE has 100% mod rate to 16 pipes
same Printed circuit layout as the X850XT

once modded... it is an X850XTPE ...

all manufacturers of GTO
Samsung 2 ns memory doesnt clock anywhere near as high...
R420 core isnt garunteed to modify
different PCB and GPU means the GPU will not clock as high as a GTO2`s would

DanishDevil · Oct 14, 2005

I agree. For people without $200 though, it's still a possible 16 pipe steal!

nick255 · Oct 15, 2005

ild also agree that the gto2 would achieve better overclocks, however depends if you wanna save money and get near similar performance.

The unique thing about the connect3d gto pcb is that it has a pci express power connector so the core should be pretty stable at x800 pe speeds.
A review on hexus they overclocked the card successfully to x800 pe speeds with stock cooling, so its probably achievable, more so with better cooling.
Its hit and miss with the 2ns memory whether you can get it stable at pe speeds, ill get some ram sinks and see how far i can overclock the memory on my card

DanishDevil · Oct 16, 2005

nick255 said:
ild also agree that the gto2 would achieve better overclocks, however depends if you wanna save money and get near similar performance.

The unique thing about the connect3d gto pcb is that it has a pci express power connector so the core should be pretty stable at x800 pe speeds.
A review on hexus they overclocked the card successfully to x800 pe speeds with stock cooling, so its probably achievable, more so with better cooling.
Its hit and miss with the 2ns memory whether you can get it stable at pe speeds, ill get some ram sinks and see how far i can overclock the memory on my card

Be sure to let us know how it goes!

JimmyHa · Oct 19, 2005

I got a Connect3d X800GTO from newegg 2 days ago. I flashed it w/ w1zzard's 16pipe bios and got to 6k 3dmarks. I then overclocked it to 575 core / 560memory. It seems to max around 580-590 core and 560-570 memory. 2.0ns Samsung memory faster than I thought. I am using stock cooling and only 1 case fan. Here's my 6760 3dmark score, it'd probably hit 7k if I got ambitious w/ Clawhammer and ram.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1336567

I'd just like to say thanks to W1zzard for his excellent bios, atitool and articles.
You da Man

Marl76lopes · Oct 20, 2005

The C3D GTO is a great card, i dont thik the GTO2 is faster...this is what i think.
My C3D GTO with the powercoler X800XT bios --» http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1339372

Not bad...

Edit : Where can i get the original moded C3D GTO bios?

SPHERE · Oct 20, 2005

just some info for people looking for a new card... i really would advise buying the Sapphire GTO2 over the connect or any GTO for a few technicle reasons...

Sapphire GTO2
samsung 1.6ns Samsung memory (as fitted on the X850XTPE, clocks to about 620mhz max (1240mhz effective)
R480 core as fitted on the X850XTPE has 100% mod rate to 16 pipes
same Printed circuit layout as the X850XT

once modded... it is ,

an X850XTPE ...

all manufacturers of GTO
Samsung 2 ns memory doesnt clock anywhere near as high... some have 1.6ns ram
R420 core isnt garunteed to modify gto can come with any x800 core not just the r420 and none of them have a 100% mod rate
different PCB and GPU means the GPU will not clock as high as a GTO2`s would

not true alot of gtos have the x850 pcb aswell

locutus12 · Oct 20, 2005

sean478 said:
just some info for people looking for a new card... i really would advise buying the Sapphire GTO2 over the connect or any GTO for a few technicle reasons...

Sapphire GTO2
samsung 1.6ns Samsung memory (as fitted on the X850XTPE, clocks to about 620mhz max (1240mhz effective)
R480 core as fitted on the X850XTPE has 100% mod rate to 16 pipes
same Printed circuit layout as the X850XT

once modded... it is , an X850XTPE ...

all manufacturers of GTO
Samsung 2 ns memory doesnt clock anywhere near as high... some have 1.6ns ram
R420 core isnt garunteed to modify gto can come with any x800 core not just the r420 and none of them have a 100% mod rate
different PCB and GPU means the GPU will not clock as high as a GTO2`s would not true alot of gtos have the x850 pcb aswell

the key words above are "some" "some" may have the X850PCB, "some" may have an r480 core, "some" may have everything the GTO2 has and still wont mod...

it comes down to this, sapphire built the GTO2 with the mod and modders in mind. Think about it, your sapphire, youve bought aload of r480 cores on the cheap because they have either failed a batch test or they came cheap from ATI because they have switched the production lines to gear up for the R520 cores. How do you get great press ready for the new product launches come november and give a cracking card on the cheap? its simple... warrenty cover... if you can find a way to remove the warrenty as a company you save money in the long run. it would make no sense to build the GTO2 which at stock speeds is EXACTLY the same performance wise as a GTO unless they new the modders would mod it, they new they would love it, and they new they wouldnt need to worry about too many comming back for warrenty soaking up profits.

also as they only have so many el cheapo R480 cores, its a limited edition which means they dont have alot of this product, you can already see the prices creeping up on the GTO2 across the net because the supplys are falling. no where sells them for $199 any more that much is certain...

you buy a GTO, you may get X800XTPE speeds, you spend the extra $50 to $80 on the GTO2... you WILL get an X850 capable of XTPE speeds.

its a choice between a card thats worth $259.99 That will mod to an X850XTPE worth $463.99

or a card thats woth $188 that may mod to an X800XTPE worth $389

but make your mind up soon, those of us who bought the GTO2 at the start got them for between $199 and $229 chances are the prices will only go up as demand outstrips supplys that are left.

SPHERE · Oct 20, 2005

locutus12 said:
the key words above are "some" "some" may have the X850PCB, "some" may have an r480 core, "some" may have everything the GTO2 has and still wont mod...

it comes down to this, sapphire built the GTO2 with the mod and modders in mind. Think about it, your sapphire, youve bought aload of r480 cores on the cheap because they have either failed a batch test or they came cheap from ATI because they have switched the production lines to gear up for the R520 cores. How do you get great press ready for the new product launches come november and give a cracking card on the cheap? its simple... warrenty cover... if you can find a way to remove the warrenty as a company you save money in the long run. it would make no sense to build the GTO2 which at stock speeds is EXACTLY the same performance wise as a GTO unless they new the modders would mod it, they new they would love it, and they new they wouldnt need to worry about too many comming back for warrenty soaking up profits.

also as they only have so many el cheapo R480 cores, its a limited edition which means they dont have alot of this product, you can already see the prices creeping up on the GTO2 across the net because the supplys are falling. no where sells them for $199 any more that much is certain...

you buy a GTO, you may get X800XTPE speeds, you spend the extra $50 to $80 on the GTO2... you WILL get an X850 capable of XTPE speeds.

its a choice between a card thats worth $259.99 That will mod to an X850XTPE worth $463.99

or a card thats woth $188 that may mod to an X800XTPE worth $389

but make your mind up soon, those of us who bought the GTO2 at the start got them for between $199 and $229 chances are the prices will only go up as demand outstrips supplys that are left.

i haven't seen a r480 core that hasn't been able to run stable at 540 yet

if you get a gto with the x850 pcb, r480 core, and 1.6ns ram that card will hit xtpe stock speeds with proper cooling

but wether or not you will get 16 pipes is up to luck (chances are verry bad

)

ShadowFlare · Oct 20, 2005

sean478 said:
i haven't seen a r480 core that hasn't been able to run stable at 540 yet
if you get a gto with the x850 pcb, r480 core, and 1.6ns ram that card will hit xtpe stock speeds with proper cooling but wether or not you will get 16 pipes is up to luck (chances are verry bad )

Mine is one of those that doesn't reach 540. While it doesn't get artifacts all the way up to around 550 or likely higher, it soon crashes after going more than only a little above 520. The mod didn't affect my overclock one bit either positively or negatively.

SPHERE · Oct 20, 2005

ShadowFlare said:
Mine is one of those that doesn't reach 540. While it doesn't get artifacts all the way up to around 550 or likely higher, it soon crashes after going more than only a little above 520. The mod didn't affect my overclock one bit either positively or negatively.

what core? what cooling? what temp?
to know what core it has you need to look at the die you cant trust a program

JimmyHa · Oct 20, 2005

The GTO2 WAS a great value and those that got it in did well. As it stands today, the GTO2 is not a good value and the C3d GTO is where its at.

A GTO2 for $259 versus a C3d GTO at $188 is no contest. The C3d is 38% cheaper at least and only 10% slower at worst. Neither card is worth $300 dollar modded. $300 = 7800GT stock.

If you gonna spend $259 for GTO2, then just fork out the extra $30 and get a 7800GT. Just as the GTO2 was price gouged to NOT a good deal, the C3d GTO will do so shortly. So if you’re a cheap bastard, now’s the time.

nick255 · Oct 20, 2005

Ive managed to get my c3d card at 530/530 now with no artifacts http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1341049 6200 3d-05 marks not bad

I managed to get the core to a max of 549 before it crashed.... i dont think the issues heat as i have a waterblock on it and the core was about 40c at 549.
But i would guess its about right for the R423 as its the whole reason ati made R480 so they could clock the x850 cards abit higher.

With the memory i got it running to about 548 before it caused artifacts, also the heatsinks on the card were pretty damn hot to the touch at this point!

JimmyHa · Oct 20, 2005

I got my c3d GTO card over 7000 3dmarks stock cooling. No artifacts and it'll clock higher.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1343665

I think the c3d GTOs are faster clock for clock than GTO2s. They may not clock as high, but they seem more efficient.

nick255 · Oct 20, 2005

JimmyHa said:
I got my c3d GTO card over 7000 3dmarks stock cooling. No artifacts and it'll clock higher.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1341485

I think the c3d GTOs are faster clock for clock than GTO2s. They may not clock as high, but they seem more efficient.

Nice howd you get the core to 591? I cant seem to get it over 549, its running cool so im thinking maybe its not getting enough voltage and so im not sure my 480 tagan psu is up to the job.

what sort of psu etc, you running?

You possibly might have something with the clock for clock theory, im wondering whether the R480 revision to make it clock higher might have impacted on performance? Would be nice to see some performance comparisons of stock x800 pe and x850 pe. clocked at the same speeds

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