KNOCKOUT: 3850 AGP vs. 3850 PCIe

lemonadesoda · Apr 25, 2008

This thread is an AGP vs. PCIe knockout.

The challengers:

1./ In the AGP corner, an AGP system running a 3850AGP vs.
2./ In the PCIe corner, a system running a 3850PCIe.

Please post your CPU details, Furmark 1.3.0, 3Dmark03, 3Dmark06, Aquamark3, and SuperPi 1.5 results. Not all results are necessary, ie. if you only have a 3Dmark06, thats OK.

Critical condition.... any CPU, s478 or s775 or s771, BUT it must be running a 3850 and the CPU at a maximum FSB of 300. I know the PCIe guys can overclock more than this, but the AGP system is i865 and FSB300 is the max. Remember this is a clock-for-clock comparison, not an OVERclock challenge.

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OK, first result from the AGP corner:

Q6600 @ FSB300 = 2.7Ghz, HD 3850 AGP

Furmark 1.3.0 = 3050
3Dmark03 = 35,516
3Dmark06 = 11,354
Aquamark3= 137,308
SuperPi = 19.015 secs

Morgoth · Apr 25, 2008

i'll post mine soon

btw max that my chipset can handel is 400mhz fsb

erocker · Apr 25, 2008

This is all I have right now with anything lower than 300fsb. That is a HD3850 btw..

lemonadesoda · Apr 25, 2008

@morgoth. Are you sure about 400Mhz FSB on 865? I dont think thats right. The system clock of the 865 is designed for 200Mhz... that allows 400Mhz (on 100FSB), 533 (on 166FSB) and 800Mhz (on 200FSB) "quad pumped" CPU. Later 865 were able to overclock to 250+, and the Conroe865PE board will go to 300. Using "Tweak 865" its possible to go to about 310 or 320 before the system falls over. I think 400 is WAY OUT OF LIMITS.

KainXS · Apr 25, 2008

can the 3850 be overclocked

ghost101 · Apr 26, 2008

Due to no reply regarding settings. Here's the e8400@stock and hd3850 overclocked.

lemonadesoda · Apr 26, 2008

@ghost, CPU @2.70, GPU @ 750/1000
@KainXS, yes, a "standard" oc on the 3850 @750/1000. Please inform if diff. overclock.

@anyone with a Q6600... please share a quad bench comparison. Thanks.

repsol23 · Apr 26, 2008

Here are my scores. I had already run 3dmark06 with my 3850 AGP overclocked to 837/1026 before I saw about the "standard" oc of 750/1000.

lemonadesoda · Apr 26, 2008

repsol, there is NO WAY those scores are from a P4E 3.2@3.9. Did you change your system?

Morgoth · Apr 26, 2008

its core2 Q6700

Harlock · Apr 26, 2008

This is my test with 3DMarks06, FSB at 266Mhz I cannot raise up more than this value

lemonadesoda · Apr 26, 2008

Sorry to hear that! Why cant you get over 266? Is the system unstable? If so, try taking the multipler down and getting FSB to 300. You need 300 or the DDR is really underclocked.

TBH I'm surprised your QX6700 is underperforming compared to the Q6600 performance I posted earlier. I hope you can fix it.

Can you do a non-gpu test, like superpi?

Harlock · Apr 26, 2008

Sorry to hear that! Why cant you get over 266? Is the system unstable?

Yes the system is unstable, I'm not able to find the right settings to raise up FSB and get my PC stable would you like to help me? :respect:

If so, try taking the multipler down and getting FSB to 300. You need 300 or the DDR is really underclocked.

Infact they run at 177,4MHz :cry:

TBH I'm surprised your QX6700 is underperforming compared to the Q6600 performance I posted earlier. I hope you can fix it.

Me too, it's FSB that slow my points I suppose

Can you do a non-gpu test, like superpi?

Sure, I'll prepare as soon as possible

Harlock · Apr 26, 2008

This the SuperPI test

InnocentCriminal · Apr 27, 2008

I'll post mine when I'm home and my GF will post hers once I've bought her a 3850 in the next couple of weeks!

Stock 3850 right?

repsol23 · Apr 27, 2008

lemonadesoda said:
repsol, there is NO WAY those scores are from a P4E 3.2@3.9. Did you change your system?

Yeah, I have had an Asrock 4coredual for the last couple of weeks but will be sending it back this Monday to Newegg since it is just too buggy for me to keep messing with. I have been able to get some good benches, but it is not very stable for my gaming machine. I will be switching back to my p4 until I can get a new mobo for my e6700, looking at an Abit p35 pro for some overclocking!

erocker · Apr 27, 2008

lemonadesoda said:
@ghost, CPU @2.70, GPU @ 750/1000
@KainXS, yes, a "standard" oc on the 3850 @750/1000. Please inform if diff. overclock.

@anyone with a Q6600... please share a quad bench comparison. Thanks.

I'll post it up tomorrow. A stock 3870 and a stock 3850 run. With the quad core at stock as well.

lemonadesoda · May 10, 2008

Anyone else with PCIe HD3850 care to run the benchmarks?

We are also running Lightmark 2007 http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=779470&postcount=1

picike · Aug 22, 2008

I am not pcie but here is mine if u can use it

q6600 300fsb with setfsb no volt mod and 720/950 with ati overdrive...
Will do the softmod bios mod tho i just dont know what i should set the clocks to...i hear 800/1000 and 900/1024...I am confident with my psu so i could use some more tuning

total 10514
sm2.0=4158
sm3.0=4349
cpu=3953

Harlock · Oct 3, 2008

Ok yesterday I reached 12054 points at 3Dmarks06

FSB = 294Mhz
Multiplier = 11
RAM = 2 - 3 - 3 - 6

In Bios I've activated Spread Spectrum or 3Dmarks06 crash
Enhalt ...........
Virtualization ..............

All the rest in the same screen disabled

I also overclock my 3850 to 802/1002

I think I can get a little more, any suggestion?

merkk · Oct 3, 2008

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=8367173 Hi guys with my all AMD rig my 3Dmark-06 score is 17233 that using 4
3850 in crossfire

lemonadesoda · Oct 3, 2008

Thanks for your link. Was that FOUR 3850! Or 2x 3850x2? Quite a setup. PS. Do you have results for a SINGLE 3850? We are interested in comparing AGP vs. PCIe, so a single PCIe statistic would be great! Thanks

merkk · Oct 3, 2008

That was 4 x 3850 i have not ran a single card in a long time . I'am at work but i can do a single card run when i get home .

merkk · Oct 4, 2008

Ok here my single card score cpu 3.2 video card @720/954 ,11028 http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=8402926

Harlock · Oct 4, 2008

Guys new record 12341!!! by overclocking a little more my HIS, WOW :rockout:

System Name	ICE-QUAD // ICE-CRUNCH
Processor	Q6600 // 2x Xeon 5472
Memory	2GB DDR // 8GB FB-DIMM
Video Card(s)	HD3850-AGP // FireGL 3400
Display(s)	2 x Samsung 204Ts = 3200x1200
Audio Device(s)	Audigy 2
Software	Windows Server 2003 R2 as a Workstation now migrated to W10 with regrets.

System Name	Wopr "War Operation Plan Response"
Processor	5900x ryzen 9 12 cores 24 threads
Motherboard	aorus x570 pro
Cooling	air (GPU Liquid graphene) rad outside case mounted 120mm 68mm thick
Memory	kingston 32gb ddr4 3200mhz ecc 2x16gb
Video Card(s)	sapphire RX 6950 xt Nitro+ 16gb
Storage	300gb hdd OS backup. Crucial 500gb ssd OS. 6tb raid 1 hdd. 1.8tb pci-e nytro warp drive LSI
Display(s)	AOC display 1080p
Case	SilverStone SST-CS380 V2
Audio Device(s)	Onboard
Power Supply	Corsair 850MX watt
Mouse	corsair gaming mouse
Keyboard	Microsoft brand
Software	Windows 10 pro 64bit, Luxion Keyshot 7, fusion 360, steam
Benchmark Scores	timespy 19 104

Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard	ASUS TUF x670e
Cooling	EK AIO 360. Phantek T30 fans.
Memory	32GB G.Skill 6000Mhz
Video Card(s)	Asus RTX 4090
Storage	WD m.2
Display(s)	LG C2 Evo OLED 42"
Case	Lian Li PC 011 Dynamic Evo
Audio Device(s)	Topping E70 DAC, SMSL SP200 Headphone Amp.
Power Supply	FSP Hydro Ti PRO 1000W
Mouse	Razer Basilisk V3 Pro
Keyboard	Tester84
Software	Windows 11

System Name	ICE-QUAD // ICE-CRUNCH
Processor	Q6600 // 2x Xeon 5472
Memory	2GB DDR // 8GB FB-DIMM
Video Card(s)	HD3850-AGP // FireGL 3400
Display(s)	2 x Samsung 204Ts = 3200x1200
Audio Device(s)	Audigy 2
Software	Windows Server 2003 R2 as a Workstation now migrated to W10 with regrets.

Processor	AMD Ryzen 9 5950x, Ryzen 9 5980HX
Motherboard	MSI X570 Tomahawk
Cooling	Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4(With Noctua Fans)
Memory	32Gb Crucial 3600 Ballistix
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte RTX 3080, Asus 6800M
Storage	Adata SX8200 1TB NVME/WD Black 1TB NVME
Display(s)	Dell 27 Inch 165Hz
Case	Phanteks P500A
Audio Device(s)	IFI Zen Dac/JDS Labs Atom+/SMSL Amp+Rivers Audio
Power Supply	Corsair RM850x
Mouse	Logitech G502 SE Hero
Keyboard	Corsair K70 RGB Mk.2
VR HMD	Samsung Odyssey Plus
Software	Windows 10

Processor	i9 10900x @ 4.6 GHz w/ 1.266 V
Motherboard	Asus Prime x299 - Deluxe
Cooling	320 (x2) and 220 (x2) Rads single loop w/ ML120 pros (x12) ML140 pros (x3)
Memory	G.Skill Trident (4x8) DDR4-4000 CL15 @ 1.50V
Video Card(s)	EVGA FTW3 3080 Ti @ 1900 MHz w/ 900 mV
Storage	Samsung 970 500 GB & 1 TB NVME's
Display(s)	Dell 27" 144Hz (x2)
Case	TT Core x71
Power Supply	Corsair RM1000x

System Name	Arcadia
Processor	QX6700 2,66Ghz @ 3,2GHz - 266Mhz FSB
Motherboard	Asrock ConRoe865PE
Cooling	ASUS Silent Square EVO + Thermalright HR-05 IFX + Zalman ZM-RHS1 on mosfet
Memory	2048Mb(4x512Mb)OCZ Platinum Edition PC4800(DDR600 2-2-2-5) Performace mode on
Video Card(s)	HIS HD3850 AGP 512Mb IceQ 3 Turbo
Storage	200Gb + 80Gb + 60Gb HDs IDE Internal + 2 x 400Gb + 500Gb + 1Tb USBs External
Display(s)	ASUS MK241H
Case	Cooler Master Cosmo S + 120 mm SilentMax+Zalman ZM-MGC1
Audio Device(s)	Internal
Power Supply	Tagan 700W Piperock
Software	Windows XP SP2 32bit

System Name	BeeR 6
Processor	Intel Core i7 3770K*
Motherboard	ASUS Maximus V Gene (1155/Z77)
Cooling	Corsair H100i
Memory	16GB Samsung Green 1600MHz DDR3**
Video Card(s)	4GB MSI Gaming X RX480
Storage	256GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD
Display(s)	27" Samsung C27F591FDU
Case	Fractal Design Arc Mini
Power Supply	Corsair HX750W
Software	64bit Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores	@ 4.6GHz *@ 2133MHz

System Name	AMD Dragon
Processor	Phenom II 940 (24/7 3.6 ghz.)
Motherboard	Jetway HAO7-Ultra
Cooling	Aquagate Max cooler master
Memory	Patriot PC2-8500EL 1066 5-5-5-15 4 Gigs (2x2gigs)
Video Card(s)	Two XFX 4850 (1G) running in crossfire
Storage	2 WD 80Gigs SATA-2 running in raid-0
Display(s)	19" Hanns-g LCD
Case	Cooler Master HAF 932
Audio Device(s)	On Board Realtek
Power Supply	PC POWER & COOOLING 750w silencer crossfire edition
Software	Vista-32
Benchmark Scores	3DMARK-06 20784

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