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The title says it all!

I currently own a single PNY 9600 GT... should I buy another one to supplement it for the arrival of my new 22" monitor? Or should I sell it/trade it for a single 8800 GTS which will then leave a better upgrade path in the future?
 

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9600GT in sli is pretty good. They have one of the best scalers thus far.
 

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just grab another 9600GT and wait for GT200
 
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Since your already almost there you might as well get the extra gt. Then yeah, sell the pair for a g200.
 

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meh, nice deal there wolf, but I'll probably buy used to save money

and farlex, isn't GT200 supposed to be a letdown? I read about that on here and in MaxPC
 

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Benchmark Scores I dont have time for that.
i have dual 9600's and i get close to above or the same performance and 3dmark score as an 8800ultra and as ktr said they scale REALLY well
 
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meh, nice deal there wolf, but I'll probably buy used to save money

and farlex, isn't GT200 supposed to be a letdown? I read about that on here and in MaxPC

Why would it be a letdown? Its going to be expensive at the outset. I don't know, maybe it will be disappointing. Wait and see I guess.
 

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well I heard that the GT200 will cost way too much because Nvidia can't manufacture it as reliably... and because the current graphics technology being used by Nvidia and AMD has reached the point of no return (where you pay a lot more for minimal gains), rasterization or w/e

intel + larrabee?
 
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Don't bother with SLi.
Or any multi-GPU solution for the matter. They're only good for benchmarking, not for gamers.
AFR (alternate frame rendering) will kill your brain.
 

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Don't bother with SLi.
Or any multi-GPU solution for the matter. They're only good for benchmarking, not for gamers.
AFR (alternate frame rendering) will kill your brain.

umm wrong it works good on my stuff
 
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Don't bother with SLi.
Or any multi-GPU solution for the matter. They're only good for benchmarking, not for gamers.
AFR (alternate frame rendering) will kill your brain.

I would usually agree with you completely largon, however I thought this article was really good. It was part of a massive compilation of dual card configurations and the overall analysiss of SLI and Xfire in general was that it was bugged to hell and shoddy value. The 9600GT'showever stood out as being pretty damn good. Just something to consider.
I have also added another card's results to convey the main article's criticisms.
 

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Good for you.
But then again, those boat loads of people that are disgusted by AFR microstuttering certainly agree with me.

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The problem is those framerates gained from multi-GPU systems are kind of "bloated".
The methods that allow SLi/CF to work efficiently enough to be worth it causes the frames to get unsynchronized. Sure, the frame rates do often increase considerably but the actual user experience is clearly degraded.
 
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lol thats actually quite interesting!

nice that they tested the SLI config on 1680 x 1050 which is what I'll be using

I guess you've sold me

9600 GT it is!

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whats AFR? I think I've heard how SLI/Xfire is handled... although it does sound stupid, apparently it works with the 9600 gt
 
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Basically SLi/CF will get you higher numerical FPS but visually the stream of images is less pleasant than similar - or even lower - framerates rendered with a single GPU.
 

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Don't bother with SLi.
Or any multi-GPU solution for the matter. They're only good for benchmarking, not for gamers.
AFR (alternate frame rendering) will kill your brain.

YOU LIE, or miss informed hehe

Need for speed pro street.

On my system STOCK

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Can run coppy at a high res

But if I install another 8800GT for Sli those issues go away.
 

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Basically SLi/CF will get you higher numerical FPS but visually the stream of images is less pleasant than similar - or even lower - framerates rendered with a single GPU.

+1, FRAPS will tell you your FPS is higher, and your 3dmark score will go up, however my experience of SLi/CF is as Largon states.

my user experience with these technologies was not nearly as good as any experiences i have had with getting 1 new GPU and banging it in and getting more FPS.

theres a but load more frame stutter, frame sync issues, and generally an unreliable playing experience.

also don't be fooled by the numbers benchies and fraps give you. the Average and Minimum FPS are what matter the most. and my experience of multi-gpu shows that those figures go mostly unchanged, perhaps even lower, at the gain of a high max FPS, which is for all intensive purposes, superfluous.

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I would hold out, but if you want the kick get the second 9600GT, or sell that 9600GT and buy a 9800gx2 or something lol..
 

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nah 9800GTX is the best card on the market today. dual gpu configs just don't count.

and its great value too. still in any case wait. get the GTX260 if you dont want to spend that much, it should still quite easily beat an 8800GTX/Ultra
 
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nah 9800GTX is the best card on the market today. dual gpu configs just don't count.

and its great value too. still in any case wait. get the GTX260 if you dont want to spend that much, it should still quite easily beat an 8800GTX/Ultra

Or see what the HD4850/4870 do, from the looks of it they will be smashing Nvidia's new cards so far, but only time can tell.
 
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I'm not saying SLi/CF wouldn't eliminate low framerates, it's a given it does just that. But there's a nasty drawback in having 2 separate GPUs drawing alternate frames. I guess the problem could be countered by sync'in the frames via drivers or using both GPUs in co-op rendering for the same frame (SFR) or tiling - the 2 latter aren't popular as they severely decrease the gain from using 2 GPUs. Dunno why the driver sync hasn't been done, maybe it causes major performance issues?
 

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Or see what the HD4850/4870 do, from the looks of it they will be smashing Nvidia's new cards so far, but only time can tell.

do you honestly think that an R600 with 50% more shades, texture units and some extra memory bandwidth will really be able to take down an Nvidian beast with 240Sp's, 32 ROPS and 1024MB of 512-bit memory?

even with this newfound power, R700 still wont have as much texturing ability as G92 8800, let alone GTX2xx, and will still be severely lacking in pixel fillrate compared to GTX2xx

your right in saying that only time will tell, however from what weve seen of R600, G80 and G92, my bet is on nvidia staying on top.

and please nobody jump up and say how the 4870X2 will chop it, thats a really stupid argument, if you want to use a dual gpu config to compare, then so do i, and i really doubt that a 4870x2 will beat GTX280 SLi, ANYONE who thinks otherwise, please indulge me.

also ive included a very relevant quote to the dual ati gpu vs single/dual nv gpu argument:

The G92 GPU's sheer potency creates a problem for Nvidia, though, when it becomes the building block for three- and four-way multi-GPU solutions. We saw iffy scaling with these configs in much of our testing, but I don't really blame Nvidia or its technology. The truth is that today's games, displays, and CPUs aren't yet ready to take advantage of the GPU power they're offering in these ultra-exclusive high-end configurations. For the most part, we tested with quality settings about as good as they get. (I suppose we could have tested with 16X CSAA enabled or the like, but we know from experience that brings a fairly modest increase in visual fidelity along with a modest performance penalty.) In nearly every case, dual G92s proved to be more than adequate at 2560x1600. We didn't have this same problem when we tested CrossFire X. AMD's work on performance optimizations deserves to be lauded, but one of the reasons CrossFire X scales relatively well is that the RV670 GPU is a slower building block. Two G92 GPUs consistently perform as well as three or four RV670s, and they therefore run into a whole different set of scaling problems as the GPU count rises.

see i suspect this will be much the same with the next gen, ATi may continue to scale better, but that will only be because nvidias cards are considerably better to start with.

my 2 cents.
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I actually think the new ones may scale better. The G94 in the 9600gt scales at roughly 90%, far better than any nvidia card that came before. And I agree w/ you wolf, from where I've sitting nothing new is coming to the table w/ the next round of vc, just improvements, and nvidia seems like they will remain king of the hill, although ati can offer some solid price/performance.
 
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