The PALiT 8800GT 1GB on a old system/Good results

DaMulta · Jun 9, 2008

Well my friends 1800XT finally died on Wednesday of last week. I was going to give him my 2900XT yesterday, only to find out that he had ordered a PALiT 8800GT 1GB that had came in on Friday. So we installed it in his machine yesterday afternoon.

His system
939 single core 3200 2Ghz
4 x 512 DDR400 2-2-2-5
MATX Motherboard
Live Creative card
Normal SATA drive 80Gig

Old Video card 1800XT 512

Now we installed VDO overclocking tool on his machine, and moved the core to 750Mhz with the fan at 100%. The results with this card being installed on his system was shocking. Need For Seed Pro Street went from not really playable on any setting, to playable on the highest settings at 1280x1024. Crysis went from playable at low on 800x600 to playable on high WITH 8xAA at 1280x1024. I'm not lying about this, it shocked me as well. COD4 frame rates shot right up and he had no more slow downs on it with everything on high on his monitors max 1280 resolution.

This just proves it so much to me. If you are a gamer and you have a PCI-E slot with 2 Gigs of ram there is no need to run out and buy a new CPU. All you really need to do is run out and buy a new powerful video card for fantastic results on a old machine.

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He has no Internet, no no SS or anything like that(can't blame him dial up only available on 14k lines). He uses the city's library's Internet when he feels the need, or needs to order anything from online.

JRMBelgium · Jun 9, 2008

You say "there is no need to buy new CPU". I don't know if you know this, but the 8800GT is capable or running games at 2048x1536 in combination with a fast CPU.

yogurt_21 · Jun 9, 2008

DaMulta said:
Well my friends 1800XT finally died on Wednesday of last week. I was going to give him my 2900XT yesterday, only to find out that he had ordered a PALiT 8800GT 1GB that had came in on Friday. So we installed it in his machine yesterday afternoon.

His system
939 single core 3200 2Ghz
4 x 512 DDR400 2-2-2-5
MATX Motherboard
Live Creative card
Normal SATA drive 80Gig

Old Video card 1800XT 512

Now we installed VDO overclocking tool on his machine, and moved the core to 750Mhz with the fan at 100%. The results with this card being installed on his system was shocking. Need For Seed Pro Street went from not really playable on any setting, to playable on the highest settings at 1280x1024. Crysis went from playable at low on 800x600 to playable on high WITH 8xAA at 1280x1024. I'm not lying about this, it shocked me as well. COD4 frame rates shot right up and he had no more slow downs on it with everything on high on his monitors max 1280 resolution.

This just proves it so much to me. If you are a gamer and you have a PCI-E slot with 2 Gigs of ram there is no need to run out and buy a new CPU. All you really need to do is run out and buy a new powerful video card for fantastic results on a old machine.

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He has no Internet, no no SS or anything like that(can't blame him dial up only available on 14k lines). He uses the city's library's Internet when he feels the need, or needs to order anything from online.

been saying this for a long time. if you're a gamer go for teh fastest gpu you can afford and stick with a midrange cpu. why? because if you go with the fastest cpu you can buy and a midrange gpu you wont see anywhere near the same gaming performance as amidrange cpu and highend gpu.

now I'm not saying break out your duron, but for the most part, this happens to be true.

yogurt_21 · Jun 9, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
You say "there is no need to buy new CPU". I don't know if you know this, but the 8800GT is capable or running games at 2048x1536 in combination with a fast CPU.

uh huh did someone fail reading class again?

DaMulta said:
his monitors max 1280 resolution.

DaMulta · Jun 9, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
You say "there is no need to buy new CPU". I don't know if you know this, but the 8800GT is capable or running games at 2048x1536 in combination with a fast CPU.

For a basic system yes you don't need a high end cpu.

His monitor maxes out at 1280x1024, yes it is bottle necked but for what he is doing this was a good and awesome upgrade.

JRMBelgium · Jun 9, 2008

Sorry guys, didn't know he had a 1280x1024 monitor.

DaMulta · Jun 9, 2008

Well even then.

The 939 is outdated you can't just run out and buy one.

DDR is over and done with, DDR2 is sooo cheap and you would be forced to buy DDR2 if you bought a new CPU.

Motherboard, to upgrade to the new cpu and new DDR memory you would also need to buy one of these.

Video card, one part that fits in almost all machines, and can help game play BIG TIME. Without the big cost of a total upgrade, and have some extra gas money left over.

Cold Storm · Jun 9, 2008

I can test to the fact that The 8800gt 1gb is probably the best card to make any system look great! I was hitting 80 frames with it oc'ed and that was stock on my quad... I love the card, and would tell anyone else to get one!

As for his system. Its so easy now a day to get a cheap system for under 300 and kick some A$$ with it! :rockout:

DarkMatter · Jun 9, 2008

DaMulta said:
Well my friends 1800XT finally died on Wednesday of last week. I was going to give him my 2900XT yesterday, only to find out that he had ordered a PALiT 8800GT 1GB that had came in on Friday. So we installed it in his machine yesterday afternoon.

His system
939 single core 3200 2Ghz
4 x 512 DDR400 2-2-2-5
MATX Motherboard
Live Creative card
Normal SATA drive 80Gig

Old Video card 1800XT 512

Now we installed VDO overclocking tool on his machine, and moved the core to 750Mhz with the fan at 100%. The results with this card being installed on his system was shocking. Need For Seed Pro Street went from not really playable on any setting, to playable on the highest settings at 1280x1024. Crysis went from playable at low on 800x600 to playable on high WITH 8xAA at 1280x1024. I'm not lying about this, it shocked me as well. COD4 frame rates shot right up and he had no more slow downs on it with everything on high on his monitors max 1280 resolution.

This just proves it so much to me. If you are a gamer and you have a PCI-E slot with 2 Gigs of ram there is no need to run out and buy a new CPU. All you really need to do is run out and buy a new powerful video card for fantastic results on a old machine.

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He has no Internet, no no SS or anything like that(can't blame him dial up only available on 14k lines). He uses the city's library's Internet when he feels the need, or needs to order anything from online.

Now imagine if GPU developers can make the cards do many other things through CUDA and the likes. The CPU as we see it today is going to disappear...

JRMBelgium · Jun 10, 2008

Cold Storm said:
I can test to the fact that The 8800gt 1gb is probably the best card to make any system look great! I was hitting 80 frames with it oc'ed and that was stock on my quad... I love the card, and would tell anyone else to get one!

As for his system. Its so easy now a day to get a cheap system for under 300 and kick some A$$ with it!

Look, it was pretty stupid to buy the 1GB version if the screen can't go any higher then 1280x1024...and eaven if it did. Like I sad, I play on 2048x1536 and 512MB still does it...

DarkMatter · Jun 10, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
Look, it was pretty stupid to buy the 1GB version if the screen can't go any higher then 1280x1024...and eaven if it did. Like I sad, I play on 2048x1536 and 512MB still does it...

The higher you go in the settings the less CPU power you need in comparison.

JRMBelgium · Jun 10, 2008

DarkMatter said:
The higher you go in the settings the less CPU power you need in comparison.

Don't know what you are trying to say man. All I am saying is that he wasted money...the extra 512MB is totally waisted...

DarkMatter · Jun 10, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
Don't know what you are trying to say man. All I am saying is that he wasted money...the extra 512MB is totally waisted...

Agreed. I was saying that pairing a 8800 GT or any powerful card with a faster CPU won't help you reaching higher settings. At higher settings the CPU doesn't influence the framerates.

Cold Storm · Jun 10, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
Look, it was pretty stupid to buy the 1GB version if the screen can't go any higher then 1280x1024...and eaven if it did. Like I sad, I play on 2048x1536 and 512MB still does it...

But yet you don't even know what the guy is USING that card for???? I bought the card because it was a cheaper use to get 1gb then a x2 or gx2 at the time.. I do a TON of rendering, and Cad work. So, having 1gb even at the res that where talking about is a BIG help. So...I know that 1gb might be a wtf if the screen res isn't more then 1280x1024, but there is more to life then just GAMING.

{JNT}Raptor · Jun 10, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
Look, it was pretty stupid to buy the 1GB version if the screen can't go any higher then 1280x1024...and eaven if it did. Like I sad, I play on 2048x1536 and 512MB still does it...

Thats a pretty harsh judgment when you have no Idea what he does or If he plans to upgrade the screen later on down the road.....some peeps actually do upgrade part by part ya know.

Think before you Insult. :nutkick:

Wile E · Jun 10, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
Look, it was pretty stupid to buy the 1GB version if the screen can't go any higher then 1280x1024...and eaven if it did. Like I sad, I play on 2048x1536 and 512MB still does it...

At 1920x1200, COD4, fully maxed out, uses in between 620 and 700MB of vram on some maps, as confirmed by RivaTuner. 1GB isn't a waste in all cases. What if he upgrades his monitor next?

Ravenas · Jun 10, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
You say "there is no need to buy new CPU". I don't know if you know this, but the 8800GT is capable or running games at 2048x1536 in combination with a fast CPU.

What game supports that resolution?

JRMBelgium · Jun 10, 2008

Wile E said:
At 1920x1200, COD4, fully maxed out, uses in between 620 and 700MB of vram on some maps, as confirmed by RivaTuner. 1GB isn't a waste in all cases. What if he upgrades his monitor next?

If he wants to play at 1920x1200, he needs another CPU. I played the entire COD4 singleplayer game on 2048x1536. I did disable shadows though because my framerate dropped to 40 in the sniperlevel with a lot of high grass. Maybe it's the shadows that take up a lot of VRAM.

Ravenas said:
What game supports that resolution?

Every game I've ever played so far. It's the highest 4:3 resolution

If you have a 2560x1600 widescreen monitor, you should also be able to select that resolution.

Wile E · Jun 10, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
If he wants to play at 1920x1200, he needs another CPU.

No he doesn't. At that res, the cpu is not the bottleneck, the gfx card is.

JRMBelgium · Jun 10, 2008

Wile E said:
No he doesn't. At that res, the cpu is not the bottleneck, the gfx card is.

I know that, but we are talking about a singlecore socket 939 CPU and DDR memory. If what you say is true, then why in Gods name do we upgrade CPU's? We are talking here about an overclocked CPU from 2003.

Wile E · Jun 10, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
I know that, but we are talking about a singlecore socket 939 CPU and DDR memory. If what you say is true, then why in Gods name do we upgrade CPU's? We are talking here about an overclocked CPU from 2003.

Because the newer/more pwerful cpu will help in almost everything else, and in benches. He might have a little bottlenecking, but the higher the res, the more you take the cpu out of the equation. As long as it's fast enough to do the physics and AI calculations, you're fine.

DarkMatter · Jun 10, 2008

Ravenas said:
What game supports that resolution?

Every game that I can think of now can play that resolution. Most games can play any resolution you want, I have to try it (as I never did) but I can create custom resolutions for my CRT monitor and I'm almost sure I could choose the new ane too. Modern shader based games are more pixel independent than the old software based ones. As Jelle Mees said you NEED a MONITOR capable of handling it first.

Wile E said:
No he doesn't. At that res, the cpu is not the bottleneck, the gfx card is.

Maybe with the next article we can convince him:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-gpu-upgrade,1928.html

Jelle Mees on page 4 are the overall results of interest. There you would see how going from a E2160 to a Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz will only improve the framerate by 40% overal for the 8800GT. That's because they tested lots of settings. Look at ACTUAL gaming results and you will see how at 1920x1200 and/or with AA/AF the CPU means NOTHING.

EDIT: Forgot to say that more Vram helps take the platform (CPU, ram, chipset...) out of the ecuation, less comunication between them has to be made. Look at how 1024 MB 9600 GT in the article is less influentiated by the CPU.

DaMulta · Jun 10, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
Don't know what you are trying to say man. All I am saying is that he wasted money...the extra 512MB is totally waisted...

That card will be in his system for at least 3 to 4 years.....By then IT WILL USE THE 1GB.
He only upgrades when something dies....

If you do the math you will see that the card can use the extra ram, the programs just have to be programed to use it.

yogurt_21 · Jun 10, 2008

not to mention palit 1GB cards cost the same as evga 512mb ones. so it's like a freebie now and will be in use in the future. win win to me.

intel igent · Jun 10, 2008

nice upgrade there DaMulta!

for gaming : CPU has less effect on performance, performance is more GFX card dependant, especially on higher resolutions

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