MSI Radeon HD 4850 512 MB

W1zzard · 06-19-2008, 09:19 AM

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oli_ramsay · 06-19-2008, 02:08 PM

Great review

W1zzard · 06-19-2008, 02:09 PM

read the first sentence on the first page. the benchmark scores arent done yet. poor benchy pc is running as fast as it can

DaMulta · 06-19-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by W1zzard

read the first sentence on the first page. the benchmark scores arent done yet. poor benchy pc is running as fast as it can

It needs a 5Ghz Quad update

candle_86 · 06-19-2008, 02:13 PM

hmm ill help off load some work, if ya would mail it ill save ya time and bench one myself

newtekie1 · 06-19-2008, 02:21 PM

Since you have two of these are we going to see Crossfire numbers too? Please please please!!!

WhoCares · 06-19-2008, 02:30 PM

W1zzard Catalyst 8.6 Final is used for HD4850's testing ?

W1zzard · 06-19-2008, 02:34 PM

no i was joking when i wrote "8.6" in the test setup box

H82LUZ73 · 06-19-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoCares

W1zzard Catalyst 8.6 Final is used for HD4850's testing ?

ATI: Catalyst 8.5, 4850 8.6

SHOOT HE POSTED BEFORE I DID ...OH WELL AT LEAST WE KNOW NOW.

ps cap locked sorry not mad.......

newtekie1 · 06-19-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by W1zzard

no i was joking when i wrote "8.6" in the test setup box

I think he was asking if you used the Beta or the Final version more so than what version number.

W1zzard · 06-19-2008, 02:37 PM

there is no 8.6 beta. people mistakenly call it that. there is either 8.6 or something that uses a build number only. to answer the question, i used 8.6 "final" downloaded from ati.com this morning. catalyst 8.6 is also the driver recommended by amd for all 4850 testing

newtekie1 · 06-19-2008, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

there is no 8.6 beta. people mistakenly call it that. there is either 8.6 or something that uses a build number only. to answer the question, i used 8.6 "final" downloaded from ati.com this morning. catalyst 8.6 is also the driver recommended by amd for all 4850 testing

Thanks for clearing that up. Now, what about Crossfire benches.

tkpenalty · 06-19-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

Thanks for clearing that up. Now, what about Crossfire benches.

I was just about to ask that too

I'd rip that stock cooler off and put an AcceleroS1 + two sets of RAMsinks (one for the ram itself, a few sinks for the MOSFETs), as well as turbo modules. Naturally I'd expect powercolor to make that.

WarEagleAU · 06-19-2008, 05:22 PM

Awesome review W1zz and that card speaks volumes. Im with Newtekie1 on this in asking that hopefully you would do a couple of XFIRE tests for us

W1zzard · 06-19-2008, 05:32 PM

quake 4 scores in this review are correct, i benched 3 times to verify

newtekie1 · 06-19-2008, 05:33 PM

I also wonder if temps are affecting the overclock numbers. I know binning probably has something to do with it, but 90C doesn't help either I would think.

Personally 90C is too hot for me, even with a quiet fan. I would rather see 80C and a slightly louder fan. I can live with 80C. Though I guess with all the software methods to control the fan speed, it is really up to the user these days to decide if they want hot and quiet or loud and cool.

HTC · 06-19-2008, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

I was just about to ask that too

I'd rip that stock cooler off and put an AcceleroS1 + two sets of RAMsinks (one for the ram itself, a few sinks for the MOSFETs), as well as turbo modules. Naturally I'd expect powercolor to make that.

That VGA cooler is compatible with the 48x0 cards? Really? That's GREAT!!!!!

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Originally Posted by WarEagleAU

Awesome review W1zz and that card speaks volumes. Im with Newtekie1 on this in asking that hopefully you would do a couple of XFIRE tests for us

If possible, that would be AWESOME!

CrAsHnBuRnXp · 06-19-2008, 06:42 PM

Doesnt seem to be all that much better than my 8800GT then. If anything, it just gets about 20 more FPS which isnt even noticeable when you get 40+ FPS anyway.

cdawall · 06-19-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

I also wonder if temps are affecting the overclock numbers. I know binning probably has something to do with it, but 90C doesn't help either I would think.

Personally 90C is too hot for me, even with a quiet fan. I would rather see 80C and a slightly louder fan. I can live with 80C. Though I guess with all the software methods to control the fan speed, it is really up to the user these days to decide if they want hot and quiet or loud and cool.

if its anything like the cooler on mine crank it up to ~80% and the card runs alot cooler stock fan numbers suck and i hit about 90C before i decided to lock it in 3D mode to a much higher fan speed, but w1z can't do that until rivatuner supports the 4xxx series

HTC · 06-19-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CrAsHnBuRnXp

Doesnt seem to be all that much better than my 8800GT then. If anything, it just gets about 20 more FPS which isnt even noticeable when you get 40+ FPS anyway.

That would depend on the resolution and the detail level.

Look @ this (post #39).

CrAsHnBuRnXp · 06-19-2008, 06:58 PM

I game at 1680x1050 so I went by the 1600x1200 ones. Your post and the one a few post above yours, the benchmarks are ~20 FPS more than what my GT gets.

W1zzard · 06-19-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

if its anything like the cooler on mine crank it up to ~80% and the card runs alot cooler stock fan numbers suck and i hit about 90C before i decided to lock it in 3D mode to a much higher fan speed, but w1z can't do that until rivatuner supports the 4xxx series

oh i can change fan speeds, but nobody else can. so it's not useful for this review

Caze · 06-19-2008, 07:06 PM

W1zzard, did Catalyst 8.6 work for you right out of the box? When I'm trying to use them with my Asus EAH4850, 3dMark + games thinks it a X1800 series card (with the performance of HD4850). Vista and CCC reports it correctly though.

W1zzard · 06-19-2008, 07:07 PM

no problems i noticed

Caze · 06-19-2008, 07:10 PM

Hmm, strange. I wonder what makes them think it's a X1800 series card? I did have a X1800XT before but I uninstalled the drivers and ran Driver Cleaner before upgrading. The drivers that came with card work normally.

06-19-2008, 09:19 AM	#1
W1zzard Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 7,617 (3.77/day) Thanks: 79 Thanked 2,489 Times in 932 Posts System Specs	MSI Radeon HD 4850 512 MB To read this review go to: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_4850/ Please Digg the review to help us promote it. Last edited by W1zzard; 06-19-2008 at 06:47 PM.

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06-19-2008, 02:08 PM	#2
oli_ramsay Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 2,500 (3.15/day) Thanks: 459 Thanked 546 Times in 428 Posts System Specs	Great review Last edited by oli_ramsay; 06-19-2008 at 07:12 PM.

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06-19-2008, 02:09 PM	#3
W1zzard Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 7,617 (3.77/day) Thanks: 79 Thanked 2,489 Times in 932 Posts System Specs	read the first sentence on the first page. the benchmark scores arent done yet. poor benchy pc is running as fast as it can

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06-19-2008, 02:13 PM	#5
candle_86 Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 2,642 (2.49/day) Thanks: 76 Thanked 239 Times in 203 Posts	hmm ill help off load some work, if ya would mail it ill save ya time and bench one myself

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06-19-2008, 02:21 PM	#6
newtekie1 Semi-Retired Folder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,740 (5.98/day) Thanks: 320 Thanked 1,429 Times in 1,172 Posts System Specs	Since you have two of these are we going to see Crossfire numbers too? Please please please!!! __________________ Rig1: System Specs. Rig2: Xeon X3220@3.0GHz / P5N-E SLI / 2GB G.Skill DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 / eVGA GTX260 / Samsung DVD-Burner / 300GB WD + 2x1.5TB Seagate LP in RAID0 Rig3: Athlon X2 4200+ / M4A79 Deluxe / 4GB G.Skill Pi DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 / XFX HD4890 1GB / Sony DVD-Burner / 250GB Seagate Rig4: C2DE2180@3.3GHz / Asus P5B / 2GB G.Skill DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 / eVGA 8800GTS 320MB / Samsung DVD-Burner / 80GB Seagate

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06-19-2008, 02:30 PM	#7
WhoCares Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2 (0.00/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	W1zzard Catalyst 8.6 Final is used for HD4850's testing ?

06-19-2008, 02:34 PM	#8
W1zzard Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 7,617 (3.77/day) Thanks: 79 Thanked 2,489 Times in 932 Posts System Specs	no i was joking when i wrote "8.6" in the test setup box

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06-19-2008, 02:37 PM	#11
W1zzard Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 7,617 (3.77/day) Thanks: 79 Thanked 2,489 Times in 932 Posts System Specs	there is no 8.6 beta. people mistakenly call it that. there is either 8.6 or something that uses a build number only. to answer the question, i used 8.6 "final" downloaded from ati.com this morning. catalyst 8.6 is also the driver recommended by amd for all 4850 testing

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06-19-2008, 05:22 PM	#14
WarEagleAU Bird of Prey Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gurley, AL Posts: 8,921 (7.24/day) Thanks: 2,216 Thanked 490 Times in 458 Posts System Specs	Awesome review W1zz and that card speaks volumes. Im with Newtekie1 on this in asking that hopefully you would do a couple of XFIRE tests for us __________________ =-TheEagle-= Heatware: WarEagleAU 9-0 and growing. “You crazy? Surfing any website without an antivirus is like fucking a hooker without a condom” -OzzmanFloyd120

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06-19-2008, 05:32 PM	#15
W1zzard Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 7,617 (3.77/day) Thanks: 79 Thanked 2,489 Times in 932 Posts System Specs	quake 4 scores in this review are correct, i benched 3 times to verify

06-19-2008, 05:33 PM	#16
newtekie1 Semi-Retired Folder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,740 (5.98/day) Thanks: 320 Thanked 1,429 Times in 1,172 Posts System Specs	I also wonder if temps are affecting the overclock numbers. I know binning probably has something to do with it, but 90C doesn't help either I would think. Personally 90C is too hot for me, even with a quiet fan. I would rather see 80C and a slightly louder fan. I can live with 80C. Though I guess with all the software methods to control the fan speed, it is really up to the user these days to decide if they want hot and quiet or loud and cool. __________________ Rig1: System Specs. Rig2: Xeon X3220@3.0GHz / P5N-E SLI / 2GB G.Skill DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 / eVGA GTX260 / Samsung DVD-Burner / 300GB WD + 2x1.5TB Seagate LP in RAID0 Rig3: Athlon X2 4200+ / M4A79 Deluxe / 4GB G.Skill Pi DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 / XFX HD4890 1GB / Sony DVD-Burner / 250GB Seagate Rig4: C2DE2180@3.3GHz / Asus P5B / 2GB G.Skill DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 / eVGA 8800GTS 320MB / Samsung DVD-Burner / 80GB Seagate

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06-19-2008, 07:06 PM	#23
Caze Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2 (0.00/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	W1zzard, did Catalyst 8.6 work for you right out of the box? When I'm trying to use them with my Asus EAH4850, 3dMark + games thinks it a X1800 series card (with the performance of HD4850). Vista and CCC reports it correctly though.

06-19-2008, 07:07 PM	#24
W1zzard Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 7,617 (3.77/day) Thanks: 79 Thanked 2,489 Times in 932 Posts System Specs	no problems i noticed

06-19-2008, 07:10 PM	#25
Caze Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2 (0.00/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hmm, strange. I wonder what makes them think it's a X1800 series card? I did have a X1800XT before but I uninstalled the drivers and ran Driver Cleaner before upgrading. The drivers that came with card work normally.

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