Fails to load Windows when cold

Bundy · Jul 1, 2008

Im stumped. Whenever I turn my rig on in the morning, it goes through POST perfectly but gives an error when starting windows. The errors vary, Ive had corrupt file, invalid checksum, no operating system.'
If I reset at this stage, everything will work fine and Vista loads up. Likewise, and reset or shut down restart from that point onwards will work perfectly.
Next morning however, the fault returns. It seems like my rig doesnt start well when cold.
Any ideas on what may be causing this?
FYI, I run RAID 1+0 and one of the drives is noisy (I dont know which one) in that Im sure the head is hitting the platter (thats what it sounds like). All I can think of is that the faulty drive is not starting up, thus causing the problem. IS there any way I can run diagnostics on RAID drives?

WarEagleAU · Jul 1, 2008

Hmm, Id like to offer assistance, but I will be damned that Ive never heard of this ever happening.

Jeno · Jul 2, 2008

my rig boots up fine in cold weather, whats your room temp?

mullered07 · Jul 2, 2008

whats your overclock like, sometimes when i oc too much i get messages about boot loader missing/corrupt, doesnt seem to happen in xp but vista is more common to picking up slight problems with voltages/clocks etc. sounds silly but try backing down on your overclock a little/lowering ram timings etc see if this helps. either that or use the built in system repair to see if that helps any?

Bundy · Jul 4, 2008

Thanks for the replys. My room temp is about 15C in the morning whenit doesnt start. The rig is a Q6700 overclocked to 3600 GHz at 1.35V vcore. FSB 360MHz.

dannylill1981 · Jul 4, 2008

could be the psu, as on first boot the system could be pulling to much load, but once the hdd etc has settled the psu can cope, try lowering you o/c for a few days and see if it makes a different. when you turn your system on it surges for a short while while everything powers up properly and this could be causing some starvation to the cpu/mem etc causing the random errors, when you press reset the psu doesnt shut down and as such is already up and running at capacity to supply the pc with power.

lemonadesoda · Jul 4, 2008

The mainboard and or HDD isnt stable or not starting up quickly enough or CMOS data has corruption in it.

You are getting to the POST but all devices haven't been correctly identified or havent responded properly to the initialisation request from the bios.

A warm boot, ie pressing reset, fixes it, becuase all the devices are now on, and the POST sequence can catch and initialise them.

Suggestion.
1./ Remove all cards, unconnect HDD cables
2./ Remove CMOS battery. Connect cmos
3./ Put ONLY the GPU card back in
4./ Start PC, F2, check bios setup
5./ Switch off
6./ Add one device at a time, e.g. first ONE HDD, the boot drive
7./ Boot. Everything OK now? If so, great. If not. Then there is a hardware problem u cant fix. Probably the mainboard. Try swapping SATA sockets. IF that doesnt fix it, you are stuck with 'warm booting' until you get a new mainboard.

P4-630 · Jul 4, 2008

when I overclock my e2200 to 3.2 / 3.3GHz it won't do a cold start either, but it starts up without any problems when it runs at 3GHz or lower.

JrRacinFan · Jul 4, 2008

lemonadesoda said:
The mainboard and or HDD isnt stable or not starting up quickly enough or CMOS data has corruption in it.

You are getting to the POST but all devices haven't been correctly identified or havent responded properly to the initialisation request from the bios.

A warm boot, ie pressing reset, fixes it, becuase all the devices are now on, and the POST sequence can catch and initialise them.

Suggestion.
1./ Remove all cards, unconnect HDD cables
2./ Remove CMOS battery. Connect cmos
3./ Put ONLY the GPU card back in
4./ Start PC, F2, check bios setup
5./ Switch off
6./ Add one device at a time, e.g. first ONE HDD, the boot drive
7./ Boot. Everything OK now? If so, great. If not. Then there is a hardware problem u cant fix. Probably the mainboard. Try swapping SATA sockets. IF that doesnt fix it, you are stuck with 'warm booting' until you get a new mainboard.

I think it is this in conjunction with a dying hdd. Better backup that drive.

Bundy · Jul 4, 2008

lemonadesoda said:
The mainboard and or HDD isnt stable or not starting up quickly enough or CMOS data has corruption in it.

You are getting to the POST but all devices haven't been correctly identified or havent responded properly to the initialisation request from the bios.

A warm boot, ie pressing reset, fixes it, becuase all the devices are now on, and the POST sequence can catch and initialise them.

Suggestion.
1./ Remove all cards, unconnect HDD cables
2./ Remove CMOS battery. Connect cmos
3./ Put ONLY the GPU card back in
4./ Start PC, F2, check bios setup
5./ Switch off
6./ Add one device at a time, e.g. first ONE HDD, the boot drive
7./ Boot. Everything OK now? If so, great. If not. Then there is a hardware problem u cant fix. Probably the mainboard. Try swapping SATA sockets. IF that doesnt fix it, you are stuck with 'warm booting' until you get a new mainboard.

It only crashes when I start up in the morning. I can do a full shut down and restart any time after that. Everything is passing BIOS diagnostics as well. It crashes when loading the OS.

Bundy · Jul 4, 2008

mullered07 said:
whats your overclock like, sometimes when i oc too much i get messages about boot loader missing/corrupt, doesnt seem to happen in xp but vista is more common to picking up slight problems with voltages/clocks etc. sounds silly but try backing down on your overclock a little/lowering ram timings etc see if this helps. either that or use the built in system repair to see if that helps any?

At 1.35V Vcore, I can get this processor to POST at 3.9GHZ but I had to slow it down to 3.6 to get Vista to load. Sounds like I need to drop the speed a little more or bump up vcore. Its a bit hard to trouble shoot...only happens once a day :laugh:

panchoman · Jul 4, 2008

use seatools for dos, it has an acoustics test, so you can pin point which drive is causing the problems, you can find it on the seagate website, ultimate boot cd, or solaris dvd 3;0

Bundy · Jul 5, 2008

JrRacinFan said:
I think it is this in conjunction with a dying hdd. Better backup that drive.

I definately have a dying drive but I dont know which one (RAID). Is there any way of finding this out without swapping drives and rebuilding arrays? Maybe I gotta steal a stethoscope from an unsuspecting doctor.

Bundy · Jul 5, 2008

panchoman said:
use seatools for dos, it has an acoustics test, so you can pin point which drive is causing the problems, you can find it on the seagate website, ultimate boot cd, or solaris dvd 3;0

LOL you beat my post. thanks

Bundy · Jul 8, 2008

I have a small update.

1. I noticed that during the diagnostic screens after POST, that the RAID drive was reported as "verify" in yellow text.
2. I considered all your responses and collated them, did a lot of reading and decided to turn "load line calibration" off. Not what you all said but it is largely consistent with your advice. Now when I do a reset or restart, the RAID drive is reported as "normal" in green.
3. Removing LLC increased my droop from 0.2V to 0.4V. Im now running the Q6700 at 3.6GHz on 1.31V (Everest) but have not done stability tests yet, it seems a bit low and I am never one of the "lucky" people who score great chips.
4. im going to bed now and I hope this rig boots normally tomorrow morning. I'll report back in about 10 hours (im very tired).
5. Where is the going to bed smiley?

Bundy · Jul 9, 2008

Didnt work

. Ill keep tryin....

flashstar · Jul 9, 2008

It's probably your motherboard. It could be that there is a weak soldering joint somewhere. I've heard of this problem all of the time in Thinkpads- you have to warm them up before they boot because the solder expands enough to complete a connection.

DaedalusHelios · Jul 9, 2008

Yeah, its related to thermal expansion.

Bundy · Jul 10, 2008

Thanks for all the help. Much appreciated.

In the end and to my embarassment, the problem seems to have been insufficient northbridge and FSB volts. Bumped them up a notch and it went away.

I should have checked this :banghead:

Alls good now thanks :toast:

Mussels · Jul 10, 2008

bundyrum&coke said:
Thanks for all the help. Much appreciated.

In the end and to my embarassment, the problem seems to have been insufficient northbridge and FSB volts. Bumped them up a notch and it went away.

I should have checked this

Alls good now thanks

i suffer the same problem actually.

Bundy · Jul 10, 2008

Mussels said:
i suffer the same problem actually.

I'll elaborate on how I decieved myself so hopefully others don't follow the same path...

My mobo supports a FSB of up to1600. That means that if I have a processor that runs at that FSB, it should run. I had hoped that meant I could be lazy and OC to 1600FSB without too much thought. Wrong. My processor has a stock FSB of 1066. The only higher FSB that the mobo "supports" are the speeds obtained using CIA2 (Gigabytes auto OC facility). If you dont use CIA, the mobo does not adjust Vcore and the rig soon comes to a halt as you increase FSB.

In my case, I enabled manual adjustment of the vcore and this is where my trouble started. In enbling vcore adjustment, my board now no longer "supports" the FSB and no longer adjusts chipset voltages for FSB frequency. It now is "capable" of achieving those speeds, so long as the idiot tuning the system manually adjusts ALL the other chipset voltages as well. Ah well you live and learn.

At least now I know that I can probably achieve a much better OC than I have now. Time to re-start my OC from scratch. :toast:

Mussels · Jul 11, 2008

bundyrum&coke said:
I'll elaborate on how I decieved myself so hopefully others don't follow the same path...

My mobo supports a FSB of up to1600. That means that if I have a processor that runs at that FSB, it should run. I had hoped that meant I could be lazy and OC to 1600FSB without too much thought. Wrong. My processor has a stock FSB of 1066. The only higher FSB that the mobo "supports" are the speeds obtained using CIA2 (Gigabytes auto OC facility). If you dont use CIA, the mobo does not adjust Vcore and the rig soon comes to a halt as you increase FSB.

In my case, I enabled manual adjustment of the vcore and this is where my trouble started. In enbling vcore adjustment, my board now no longer "supports" the FSB and no longer adjusts chipset voltages for FSB frequency. It now is "capable" of achieving those speeds, so long as the idiot tuning the system manually adjusts ALL the other chipset voltages as well. Ah well you live and learn.

At least now I know that I can probably achieve a much better OC than I have now. Time to re-start my OC from scratch.

Mine has a similar problem actually, 'stock' 1600 FSB. However, when a 45nm CPU is detected it automatically raises some voltages - FSB termination and Northbridge. i had to raise those to the 45nm default settings to get it to boot stably as well.

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