260 v 4870: OCed

Franklinwallbrown · Jul 29, 2008

Anyone know how the 260 and the 4870 OC & which is better OCed? I'm looking for articles.

[I.R.A]_FBi · Jul 29, 2008

260 is better o/ced to the max.

erocker · Jul 29, 2008

[I.R.A]_FBi said:
260 is better o/ced to the max.

8, erocker - HIS HD4870 @ 845/1000 - 18584 - Q6600 @ 4005Mhz - 445FSB <-- Highest HD4870

6, lohoutlaw - XFX 260GTX @ 741/1211 - 18223 - E8400 @ 4200.6Mhz - 466.7FSB <-- Highest GTX260

alexp999 · Jul 29, 2008

[I.R.A]_FBi said:
260 is better o/ced to the max.

+1. Thats why I'm gonna get a GTX260 now. I cant warrant over £200 on a gfx card any more. The GTX260 can reach near GTX280 performance once OC'd and I have had enough of the ATi drivers.

I should get paid in two days then everything in my sig will be on its way.

zithe · Jul 29, 2008

If you have water cooling, then the superclocked edition of 4870 probably hits or surpasses GTX 280. It IS a 40% overclock.

If you can somehow unlock your card, 4870 easily nears 1ghz core speed.

Some old news:

Diamond has announced the fastest Radeon HD 4870 graphics card so far, and it has potential to go much faster. Radeon HD 4870 XOC Unlocked Black Edition has a core frequency of 800MHz and memory chips operating at 4400MHz (4x1100). Diamond has another ace up its sleeve though as the BIOS engineers have been able to unlock settings up to 950MHz core clock and 4800MHz memory clock. This should produce quite some heat from the 55nm GPU with its 800 shader processors.

No worries though, Diamond has teamed up with water cooling manufacturer Danger Den and fitted the 4870 XOC with more than capable water blocks. The cards will be sold exclusively through premier system builder SmoothCreations, but should appear at e-tailers in a not too distant future.

"The Diamond Radeon HD 4870 XOC Black Edition was clocked to kick some ass. We didn’t just want a fast card out in the market, we wanted the fastest card that could kick the living daylights and bust some performance records," say Mario Gastelum, Director of Product Development & Engineering. "We wanted a card that kicked the competitions teeth into the curb, and that’s exactly what our engineers accomplished. The firmware was custom designed to enable end users to go beyond the normal over clocked speeds and allow them to push their cards for higher performance via the catalyst control center."

Source: http://www.nordichardware.com/index.php?news=1&action=more&id=7908

[I.R.A]_FBi · Jul 29, 2008

erocker said:
8, erocker - HIS HD4870 @ 845/1000 - 18584 - Q6600 @ 4005Mhz - 445FSB <-- Highest HD4870

6, lohoutlaw - XFX 260GTX @ 741/1211 - 18223 - E8400 @ 4200.6Mhz - 466.7FSB <-- Highest GTX260

isnt ur cpu skewing that a bit?

erocker · Jul 29, 2008

So?

I just need to add a little voltage in my bios for more on the GPU. I would say, if you are experienced with modifying things go with a 4870. Any other user should go with a GTX260.

alexp999 · Jul 29, 2008

[I.R.A]_FBi said:
isnt ur cpu skewing that a bit?

lol, just a bit, especially in 3dmark.

I dont bother with bench progs anymore, only in game performance comprisons can show how the cards really perform. Be interesting to see a GTX260 on 177.79 vs a 4870 on 8.7

erocker · Jul 29, 2008

I may just pick up a 260 to see what's actually better in games. I play all my games maxed out with the 4870 and it works great! Plus, AA works very well with this card. I don't think Franklinwallbrown would notice a difference with either gpu overclocked on his system.

zithe · Jul 29, 2008

I say get water cooling and your hands on the Diamond 4870 B.E. BIOS. FUUUUN!

[I.R.A]_FBi · Jul 29, 2008

then get teh ati!

Franklinwallbrown · Jul 29, 2008

Well, I'm planning (planning being the operative word) on building a new system in the not-so-too-distant-future-but-the-end-still-looks-fuzzy.

What is in the VGA future?

erocker · Jul 29, 2008

GTX260 is cheaper, get that. Though, who knows what cards and prices will be when you actually decide to build a new system.

Franklinwallbrown · Jul 29, 2008

True that...

Tatty_Two · Jul 29, 2008

erocker said:
8, erocker - HIS HD4870 @ 845/1000 - 18584 - Q6600 @ 4005Mhz - 445FSB <-- Highest HD4870

6, lohoutlaw - XFX 260GTX @ 741/1211 - 18223 - E8400 @ 4200.6Mhz - 466.7FSB <-- Highest GTX260

The difference between the Q6600 at 4gig and the 8400 at 4.2gig in 2006 scores is Biiiiggggg, that just about shows that the 260 is the winner as with the quad you are looking at anything upto 1200 points premium, the important thing to me however is real world gaming and perhaps the 4870 is stronger in that department?

Tatty_Two · Jul 29, 2008

zithe said:
If you have water cooling, then the superclocked edition of 4870 probably hits or surpasses GTX 280. It IS a 40% overclock.

If you can somehow unlock your card, 4870 easily nears 1ghz core speed.

Some old news:

Source: http://www.nordichardware.com/index.php?news=1&action=more&id=7908

Really? from what I have read, most 280's will hit or exceed 700mhz on the core on stock cooling and volts and with the bit about unlocking the card, I am sure there arfe/will be some nice little mods for the 280 also but having said that......price/performance that does look pretty good.

erocker · Jul 29, 2008

Tatty_One said:
the important thing to me however is real world gaming and perhaps the 4870 is stronger in that department?

Me too! I'm very tempted to pick up a 260GTX for $229 after rebate and see which is better...

Tatty_Two · Jul 29, 2008

erocker said:
Me too! I'm very tempted to pick up a 260GTX for $229 after rebate and see which is better...

Think I will keep things simple and get the 280.....unless the 4870x2 hits the shelves within 2 weeks?

erocker · Jul 29, 2008

August 14th for the 4870x2 if I'm not mistaken.. Well, I have a 4850 that I can X fire with this 4870 just fine too... I just would kind of like to have one uber-card above all though.. :ohwell:

Who knows, mabye that 260gtx will be under $200 in a couple weeks..

newconroer · Jul 29, 2008

alexp999 said:
+1. Thats why I'm gonna get a GTX260 now. I cant warrant over £200 on a gfx card any more. The GTX260 can reach near GTX280 performance once OC'd and I have had enough of the ATi drivers.

I should get paid in two days then everything in my sig will be on its way.

We hear that a lot about 'little brother' GPUs, and in the end, it's a mis-leading statement. Generally speaking, consumers using high end graphics cards, are also running very demanding 3d applications. And within these applications, they are applying features such as vsync, supersampling transparency anti-aliasing, increased HDR etc at high resolutions. These things will punish mid or low range GPUs. However, when these features are absent, especially at lower resolutions, cards such as the 280 and 4870, will perform marginally better than a 260/4850 and older cards like the 8800 or 3xxx series; and as well as the mid range products in those line ups.

Try to ultra max out Crysis, AoC, WiC, Mass Effect etc. at 1920+ resolution, and you will definatley see a difference between a 260 and a 280.

A card like the 260 exists because on the surface it is - "GTX260 can reach near GTX280 performance once OC'd." But it's cheaper because deeper down, that claim is NOT true.

The same went for the 8800 640 GTS and 512 GTS vs the 8800GTX.

It's a good price/performance card, but again, only on the surface.

Franklinwallbrown said:
Well, I'm planning (planning being the operative word) on building a new system in the not-so-too-distant-future-but-the-end-still-looks-fuzzy.

What is in the VGA future?

A better question is what's in the computing future?

Nehalem
Native DDr3 boards
Ray Tracing capable GPUs
3d applications and games making use of physics dies on GPUs

However ray tracing and physics is still undetermined in terms of 'when.'

Nehalem on the other hand is very real and is coming soon; meaning until applications start making use of a GPU's physics die, the architectural change that Nehalem brings about, might make a signficant contribution to helping GPUs 'stretch their legs' as it were.

Finally meaning, the 4800 and GT200 series will be worth getting into, rather than waiting six months for the next product line-up from either GPU camp.

candle_86 · Jul 30, 2008

erocker said:
August 14th for the 4870x2 if I'm not mistaken.. Well, I have a 4850 that I can X fire with this 4870 just fine too... I just would kind of like to have one uber-card above all though.. Who knows, mabye that 260gtx will be under $200 in a couple weeks..

doubtful at 229 MIR it kinda kills the 4850 MSRP of 199.

candle_86 · Jul 30, 2008

newconroer said:
We hear that a lot about 'little brother' GPUs, and in the end, it's a mis-leading statement. Generally speaking, consumers using high end graphics cards, are also running very demanding 3d applications. And within these applications, they are applying features such as vsync, supersampling transparency anti-aliasing, increased HDR etc at high resolutions. These things will punish mid or low range GPUs. However, when these features are absent, especially at lower resolutions, cards such as the 280 and 4870, will perform marginally better than a 260/4850 and older cards like the 8800 or 3xxx series; and as well as the mid range products in those line ups.

Try to ultra max out Crysis, AoC, WiC, Mass Effect etc. at 1920+ resolution, and you will definatley see a difference between a 260 and a 280.

A card like the 260 exists because on the surface it is - "GTX260 can reach near GTX280 performance once OC'd." But it's cheaper because deeper down, that claim is NOT true.

The same went for the 8800 640 GTS and 512 GTS vs the 8800GTX.

It's a good price/performance card, but again, only on the surface.

A better question is what's in the computing future?

Nehalem
Native DDr3 boards
Ray Tracing capable GPUs
3d applications and games making use of physics dies on GPUs

However ray tracing and physics is still undetermined in terms of 'when.'

Nehalem on the other hand is very real and is coming soon; meaning until applications start making use of a GPU's physics die, the architectural change that Nehalem brings about, might make a signficant contribution to helping GPUs 'stretch their legs' as it were.

Finally meaning, the 4800 and GT200 series will be worth getting into, rather than waiting six months for the next product line-up from either GPU camp.

not always true, take a few cards into consideration first

5900XT many oc'd to 5950Ultra, mine did as a matter of fact and cost was only 169 MIR when i bought it and the 5950Ultra was still 499.

6800GT most all of them OC'd to Ultra Spec, my AGP variant actully hit 475/1200 stable

7900GT/7950GT/7900GTO these cards all could hit the 7900GTX speed, the 7900GT and 7950GT just needed a bios flash to add extra voltage.

8800GTX could be oc'd to 8800Ultra speeds

8800GTS 512 OC's easily to 9800GTX speeds

so no there are instances when the lesser card can tie the newer card.

Tatty_Two · Jul 30, 2008

I have always wondered why people said that you can overclock the 260 to near 280 performance......assuming they mean stock 280 performance it still leaves the fact that there are considerably less shaders on the 260.

TBH, I think not unlike the 8800GTX, the GTX280 on really comes into it's own at resolutions of 19xx and above, below that most gaming will be maxed and smooth on a 260 no matter what you throw at it with the possible exception of that "C" word.

wolf · Jul 30, 2008

with them both at competitive prices its a tough choice, alls i know is i went for a 4870 and it kicks ass, either picking up another for crossfire or an X2 for Tri-fire

Hayder_Master · Jul 30, 2008

4870 is good and cheap than 260 and you use amd chip set maybe you chose crossfire in future so my opinion go for 4870

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