Powercolor PCS HD 4670 512 MB

W1zzard · 09-08-2008, 07:27 PM

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choppy · 09-10-2008, 05:52 AM

what a card, of course give it a few months and the price will drop therefore it will easily be the price/performance king

eidairaman1 · 09-10-2008, 07:43 AM

I think AMD should reverse their product release plans, as it seems their mid range boards are far more improved than their top end boards, as of performance/watt and price.

btarunr · 09-10-2008, 10:05 AM

Didn't this just eat the 9500 GT?

I see why 9550 is in the works. Great little card.

PVTCaboose1337 · 09-10-2008, 01:09 PM

I thought this was overpriced, but if they drop it $20, it is a good HTPC card, or a low end gamer card. Either way I thought it was a perfect "gap filler."

mdm-adph · 09-10-2008, 02:06 PM

Aye, I'll be glad when the price drops just a tad more, but it's good that this is a card that ATI fans can buy without feeling bad about not getting a 9600GT.

Considering I spent $10 more than this for my 3650 when it came out (only six months ago), I feel ripped-off, but that's the way it is with technology.

newtekie1 · 09-10-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by btarunr

Didn't this just eat the 9500 GT?

I see why 9550 is in the works. Great little card.

With the price of the 4670 at $85, the 9550 isn't needed. You can already get a 9600GSO or 9600GT for $80.

I don't think nVidia needs any new cards at this point, the 9500GT fits nicely at the $60-$65 price point and the 9600GSO/9600GT fit the next higher price point just fine.

mdm-adph · 09-10-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

With the price of the 4670 at $85, the 9550 isn't needed. You can already get a 9600GSO or 9600GT for $80.

I don't think nVidia needs any new cards at this point, the 9500GT fits nicely at the $60-$65 price point and the 9600GSO/9600GT fit the next higher price point just fine.

Please show me where in the hell you're buying a 9600GT for $80, cause the egg doesn't list it any cheaper than $95.

The 9600 GT's not a bad card, but there are many reasons why someone would want to choose a 4670, including the lower power draw, the HDMI+Audio, and a cheaper price for almost the same performance.

W1zzard · 09-10-2008, 03:40 PM

9600 gt was $85 for weeks on newegg but prices went slightly up since the 9500 gt release

mdm-adph · 09-10-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by W1zzard

9600 gt was $85 for weeks on newegg but prices went slightly up since the 9500 gt release

Well, that was dumb. Guess they'll be coming back down now.

newtekie1 · 09-10-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mdm-adph

Please show me where in the hell you're buying a 9600GT for $80, cause the egg doesn't list it any cheaper than $95.

The 9600 GT's not a bad card, but there are many reasons why someone would want to choose a 4670, including the lower power draw, the HDMI+Audio, and a cheaper price for almost the same performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125099

Actually, the cheapest one on newegg is $80...

The only point you made that is actually correct is the lower power consumption. It does have that going for it, so it will make a great HTPC card. However, it isn't cheaper for the same performance, it is actually more expensive for the slightly worse performance(80<85

) and the 9600GT and 9600GSO both do HDMI+Audio.

btarunr · 09-10-2008, 07:25 PM

Relax newtekie, $89 is the launch price of this non-ref HD 4670 model. It could be sold for much cheaper in the weeks to come.

newtekie1 · 09-10-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by btarunr

Relax newtekie, $89 is the launch price of this non-ref HD 4670 model. It could be sold for much cheaper in the weeks to come.

I know, the price always goes down after a few weeks. I really hope it does, as it will force the prices of other cards in the same performance class down as well. I expected it will settle around the $75 mark.

mdm-adph · 09-10-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125099

Actually, the cheapest one on newegg is $80...

The only point you made that is actually correct is the lower power consumption. It does have that going for it, so it will make a great HTPC card. However, it isn't cheaper for the same performance, it is actually more expensive for the slightly worse performance(80<85

) and the 9600GT and 9600GSO both do HDMI+Audio.

Blegh -- I've learned the hard way not to count rebates. That card's going to cost you a hundred and ten bucks, and you know it.

Usually, as the size of the rebate increases, the chances that you'll actually get the check for it get exponentially less and less.

And as for the HDMI+Audio -- has nvidia got it working without the funky little extra cable you had to use with their cards the last time I checked?

And now Guru3D's reporting that this card is going to enter at $79. Who to believe?

MrMilli · 09-10-2008, 09:28 PM

I don't consider price after rebate to be retail price.
Like mdm-adph said, $95 is the cheapest on newegg.
Check this out: http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=9600gt&scoring=p
Only PNY has one listed at $89 but the average is more like $110.
I consider putting $90 for the 9600GT in the review to be a little on the low side.
As a comparison, the cheapest 9600GT in Germany costs €80 (Palit) (PNY €94).
The Sapphire HD 4670 is already listed at €66 (that's $20 difference to 9600GT): http://www.alternate.de/html/product...l?artno=JBXSUG

The 9600GT doesn't have HDMI audio on chip. You need to connect the on board SPDIF connector to your soundcard the get sound over HDMI. ATI has this on chip. Not all soundcards have a 2pin SPDIF connector on the card, specially old ones. There is also the matter of encrypted audio! ATI includes the HDMI dongle, most of nVidia partners don't (+$5).

BTW $85 is the launch price for this non-reference model and it will drop over the next few weeks.
The 9600GT launched at $169 if i remember correctly.

Paintface · 09-10-2008, 10:03 PM

yup this card should be compared to the 9500gt pricewise instead of 9600gt.

IF i had to buy a system today i wouldnt hesitate buying a 4670, its weird but good how a low end priced videocard can play all games at max settings fluently these days.

newtekie1 · 09-10-2008, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdm-adph

Blegh -- I've learned the hard way not to count rebates. That card's going to cost you a hundred and ten bucks, and you know it.

Usually, as the size of the rebate increases, the chances that you'll actually get the check for it get exponentially less and less.

And as for the HDMI+Audio -- has nvidia got it working without the funky little extra cable you had to use with their cards the last time I checked?

And now Guru3D's reporting that this card is going to enter at $79. Who to believe?

I've actually had good luck with all my rebates when purchasing through newegg, so I don't mind considering them in the final price. Newegg has gone to great lengths to make sure the companies stand behind their rebates.

As for HDMI+Audio, I don't care how it work, as long as it works. Yes, you have to connect a cable to the card from your sound card, but it still achieves the same in the end. It is just one less driver to cause conflicts at the end of the day too. There are benefits to both methods.

Scrizz · 09-11-2008, 12:48 AM

cool basically an improved 3850,
very nice

cdawall · 09-11-2008, 12:57 AM

looks like a great card i want to see it in tri/quadfire

zithe · 09-11-2008, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

With the price of the 4670 at $85, the 9550 isn't needed. You can already get a 9600GSO or 9600GT for $80.

I don't think nVidia needs any new cards at this point, the 9500GT fits nicely at the $60-$65 price point and the 9600GSO/9600GT fit the next higher price point just fine.

It's 79.99 at newegg and handles AA/AF much better than the 9600GSO seems to.

Scrizz · 09-11-2008, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

I know, the price always goes down after a few weeks. I really hope it does, as it will force the prices of other cards in the same performance class down as well. I expected it will settle around the $75 mark.

owned

zithe · 09-11-2008, 01:21 AM

Newegg's MSI 4670 seems to have a 256bit bus. Might it be a mistake?

newtekie1 · 09-11-2008, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zithe

It's 79.99 at newegg and handles AA/AF much better than the 9600GSO seems to.

How do you get that it handles AA/AF much better than the 9600GSO? In most of the test that have AA and AF enabled the 9600GSO outscores it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zithe

Newegg's MSI 4670 seems to have a 256bit bus. Might it be a mistake?

More than likely, Newegg's specs are wrong a lot of the time, especially on new products.

zithe · 09-11-2008, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newtekie1

How do you get that it handles AA/AF much better than the 9600GSO? In most of the test that have AA and AF enabled the 9600GSO outscores it.

More than likely, Newegg's specs are wrong a lot of the time, especially on new products.

Was only looking at UT3 lol.

suraswami · 09-11-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by W1zzard

9600 gt was $85 for weeks on newegg but prices went slightly up since the 9500 gt release

well the EVGA 9600GT OC edition was $60 AR at Frys last friday, damn I missed it.

W1z excellent review. May be I should wait and buy the 46xx series.

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