Palit Revolution 700 Deluxe - HD 4870 X2 2048 MB

W1zzard · 11-10-2008, 12:33 PM

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btarunr · 11-11-2008, 12:52 PM

Thankfully it's not as heavy as it looks.

PVTCaboose1337 · 11-11-2008, 12:58 PM

Ya the three fan slots kinda put me off... 3 PCI slots is way too many. Also, I would rather have the basic model, as $10 for a 50mhz OC is not that great.

DOM · 11-11-2008, 01:10 PM

Me want

DarkMatter · 11-11-2008, 01:44 PM

Nice review as always Wizzard.

I have a pair of doubts though:

- Is there any word from Ati or Palit about an improved PLX chip or bios or something? I mean with the odd results of the HD4850 X2 and now this one there must be something there. There's no way 50Mhz OC on the memory can make the X2 up to 12% faster.

- I know the answer is yes, but I have to ask. Are you sure the power consumptions are correct? There's no errors on your part?

There's no way I would ever buy anything with such high consumption. The reference X2 was already bad in that, but those consumption figures are just ridiculous. With the average use we give to my main PC at home (avg. 15 hours day, half time at full load) that card would suppose extra 50 euros per year compared to the reference one and 100 compared to an OCed GTX280. After seeing the average price for kwh in the US and the world, which both seem to be around $10 it's exactly the same 50 or 100 but this time in $. I don't even want to compare them to my current card. yeesh!

btarunr · 11-11-2008, 01:57 PM

The idle power is high because there's no proper 2D clock profile programmed. I agree, you can run two GTX 260 Core 216 cards for this amount of power.

wolf2009 · 11-11-2008, 02:19 PM

WOW, I am amazed at the Power numbers !!

Whats up Palit ?

DarkMatter · 11-11-2008, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btarunr

The idle power is high because there's no proper 2D clock profile programmed. I agree, you can run two GTX 260 Core 216 cards for this amount of power.

Yeah I knew, but wasn't that already the case on HD4xxx cards? This is much worse.

DaMulta · 11-11-2008, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf2009

WOW, I am amazed at the Power numbers !!

Whats up Palit ?

Like us benchers are green people lol

It almost takes two psu's just to really push my system!!!
------
Nice review Wiz, and I'm glad the first place I have seen it reviewed is here. There is no BS when you review something. Only the truth.

Winterwind · 11-11-2008, 02:35 PM

This should be the first X2 that uses Qimonda GDDR5 like HD4870.
And it shows.. Hynix oc-s to ~950MHz and Qimonda does ~1100+

DaMulta · 11-11-2008, 02:44 PM

Quote:

"Palit disabled certain power saving features like 2D clock reduction in the BIOS"

Wiz would this help with the problems that I saw with some games not kicking into 3d clocks when I started certain games(I seen this with my x1950xtx CF and 2900XT CF)?

wolf2009 · 11-11-2008, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMulta

Like us benchers are green people lol

It almost takes two psu's just to really push my system!!!

Well thats all good and true for benching,

But I wouldn't want my card to consume 240W to display titties !

VulkanBros · 11-11-2008, 02:54 PM

This baby (Gainward Rampage 700 Golden Sample) also occupie three PCI slots

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16257

btarunr · 11-11-2008, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VulkanBros

This baby (Gainward Rampage 700 Golden Sample) also occupie three PCI slots

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16257

And that's this card's twin. Sells in the regions where brand Gainward sells better than Palit.

OnBoard · 11-11-2008, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf2009

Well thats all good and true for benching,

But I wouldn't want my card to consume 240W to display titties !

Those are some hot titties

More power consumption on idle than my card takes on load.

I did like the heatsinks though, so perty. The PCB also looks half empty, I remember the orginal being much more crowded (or was it the 3870x2). Nope it wasn't:

front reference/palit
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/S...ages/front.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P...ages/front.jpg

back reference/palit
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/S...mages/back.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P...mages/back.jpg

Sasqui · 11-11-2008, 04:12 PM

New top dog... with the overclock, it's not surprising the power consumption is high, but at idle? <- that part bugs me (and I doubt I'm not alone).

DaMulta · 11-11-2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnBoard

Those are some hot titties

More power consumption on idle than my card takes on load.

I did like the heatsinks though, so perty. The PCB also looks half empty, I remember the orginal being much more crowded (or was it the 3870x2). Nope it wasn't:

front reference/palit
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/S...ages/front.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P...ages/front.jpg

back reference/palit
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/S...mages/back.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P...mages/back.jpg

Notice the power plugs are on top now, and not on the side. Much easier IMO.

Apocolypse007 · 11-11-2008, 06:43 PM

It's a nice model. But I fail to see what other than a better cooler and 50mhz clock increase qualifies this as a "deluxe" version. I expected more unique features from palit, but this far from tarnishes their reputation

VulkanBros · 11-11-2008, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMulta

Notice the power plugs are on top now, and not on the side. Much easier IMO.

Right about the power plugs - my old ASUS HD3870X2 has it too.. much easier to handle

3870x2 · 11-11-2008, 09:47 PM

ill have to agree to disagree on the 9.0. Palit just created, by far, an impressive gain on the stock card. Saying this, i own a 9800GX2 and am in no way a palit fan. As always another amazing TPU review, and the reason why its the only forum that I go to daily.

3dchipset · 11-11-2008, 10:24 PM

I thank you for testing some older generation games. Extremely appreciated to see games that I would play still!!! How about tossing like SOFII and some Medal of Honor games for kicks? ;-)

Binge · 11-12-2008, 12:05 AM

I've been saying this for a while... the reference cooler is not bad on the 4870x2 and I prefer it. If you put a fan over the area of the reference card that is above the VRegs then you can shop 5-15C off of your card easily.

It's nice to see there's a good difference when you OC the 4870x2s. I've noticed it through personal use, but this just proves it. Great review w1z!

Duffman · 11-12-2008, 01:25 AM

interesting, very interesting.

I love the great, quiet cooling this card offers. Only drawback is that power draw at idle. If it comes out at $540 as the msrp indicates, it's a pretty good deal in the 4870x2 realm.

btarunr · 11-12-2008, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3dchipset

I thank you for testing some older generation games. Extremely appreciated to see games that I would play still!!! How about tossing like SOFII and some Medal of Honor games for kicks? ;-)

SOFII is pre shaders. It's idTech3 based. All geometry, no shaders. It's like testing the framerate for the spinning cube in DXdiag.

DaMulta · 11-12-2008, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKPolice

This review is full of bullshit. There's no way a 50Mhz OC on the ram can make that much of a difference over the regular 4870x2. They were either on different drivers or the reviewer was bribed and is intentionally inflating Palit's figures.

it's not just ram maybe, and I don't see Wiz doing that for no one........ Why would he in the first place?
ati card

Here is the palit card

11-10-2008, 12:33 PM	#1
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3dchipset 3DChipset Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 6 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I thank you for testing some older generation games. Extremely appreciated to see games that I would play still!!! How about tossing like SOFII and some Medal of Honor games for kicks? ;-)

11-12-2008, 12:05 AM	#22
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