Liquid Cooling purchase... Am i missing something?

douglatins · Apr 19, 2009

What about the components? anything i should reconsider? Or maybe ditch the hole thing completely and buy a PS3?

N4cot1c · Apr 19, 2009

Mind listing out all of those koolance products for us buddy?

douglatins · Apr 19, 2009

N4cot1c said:
Mind listing out all of those koolance products for us buddy?

Like this?

douglatins · Apr 20, 2009

Any thoughts anyone?

sneekypeet · Apr 20, 2009

you should reconcider the price...almost $700 for a loop? What kind of dollars are we speaking here?

douglatins · Apr 20, 2009

sneekypeet said:
you should reconcider the price...almost $700 for a loop? What kind of dollars are we speaking here?

What about separeted prices... and is there something i really dont need?

sneekypeet · Apr 20, 2009

I wouldnt say you dont need anything, it just seems a bit pricey to me as a whole. Is there a special attachment to any of those pieces, like must haves?

I could be way wrong here, it just seems you are going to spend almost double what you truely need to.

Pete1burn · Apr 20, 2009

I set up my whole loop last week with high quality items for like $350. It sounds to me like you're overspending. I think we need a break down of what you're ordering.

BababooeyHTJ · Apr 20, 2009

I know next to nothing about water cooling so take this with an XL grain of salt, but are you sure that 1 loop is going to handle all of that? I mean once you start over clocking and all. What kind of fans are you going to throw on that rad since I don't see any on that list.
Prices don't seen too bad to me. A little pricy for the chipset cooling and you should be able to talk whoever you are buying this from down on the shipping for such a large order.

phanbuey · Apr 20, 2009

BababooeyHTJ said:
I know next to nothing about water cooling so take this with an XL grain of salt, but are you sure that 1 loop is going to handle all of that? I mean once you start over clocking and all. What kind of fans are you going to throw on that rad since I don't see any on that list.
Prices don't seen too bad to me. A little pricy for the chipset cooling and you should be able to talk whoever you are buying this from down on the shipping for such a large order.

The rad will be fine for that, that is a monster rad... but the pump, that might be suffering quite a bit with all of that stuff.

BababooeyHTJ · Apr 20, 2009

phanbuey said:
The rad will be fine for that, that is a monster rad... but the pump, that might be suffering quite a bit with all of that stuff.

Seriously, would he be any better off with some larger tubing as well?

phanbuey · Apr 20, 2009

BababooeyHTJ said:
Seriously, would he be any better off with some larger tubing as well?

Wow... good thing you mentioned that... i dont think the D5 does 3/8" ID tubing - you better double check that, douglas.

douglatins · Apr 20, 2009

sneekypeet said:
I wouldnt say you dont need anything, it just seems a bit pricey to me as a whole. Is there a special attachment to any of those pieces, like must haves?

I could be way wrong here, it just seems you are going to spend almost double what you truely need to.

Only if theres is something of MSRP maybe, but i believe these are high end stuff, i believe the price is right... (hehe)

Binge · Apr 20, 2009

I have to interject here... You're buying a LOT of koolance items here and you could just go to koolance.com and get better prices unless I'm missing something. A D5 variable speed will not handle the restriction in that loop and there is also WAY too many components on the loop. If you were to run RES>PUMP>RAD>CPU>GPU>NB>SB>RES or any configuration you will be overloading that wussy radiator just with the CPU and GTX295. I mean honestly have you thought about the heat dump? Are you running a motherboard with a chipset you couldn't afford to run without watercooling? Hell... are you planning to overclock? I doubt you would want that kind of heat load if you were.

Just a FYI, you are taking on a complicated project. I hope you have a mind for plumbing/thermal transfer. You have a few options and I would recommend looking into an actual manifold. Not like the Koolance manifold (which is complete shit), but a real manifold to split the liquid so it is not in series, but even then you run the risk of outputting so much heat that your radiator can not dissapate the heat you're generating with the hardware.

GEEZE I remember thinking like this last year when I made my first water cooling loop and it's too expensive, tons of work, and you'll end up having the wrong parts/case/pump/etc for the job you want to do.

Assassin48 · Apr 20, 2009

I have some fittings that i am trying to get rid of that might bring cost down ill lower the prices.

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phanbuey · Apr 20, 2009

binge is right... Although your radiator will still cool better than an air setup, depending on the CPU you use, you will have a ton of heat to get rid of... so the radiator will work, just with a few higher-cfm fans.

As far as the chipset cooling, there is just no reason to watercool your VRMs... at all. In fact, by the time your water gets through all that crap in the loop, you may be actually warming your SB. NB is a maybe, but if you have a high end board, you will already have heat pipes which work just fine.

douglatins · Apr 20, 2009

Binge said:
I have to interject here... You're buying a LOT of koolance items here and you could just go to koolance.com and get better prices unless I'm missing something. A D5 variable speed will not handle the restriction in that loop and there is also WAY too many components on the loop. If you were to run RES>PUMP>RAD>CPU>GPU>NB>SB>RES or any configuration you will be overloading that wussy radiator just with the CPU and GTX295. I mean honestly have you thought about the heat dump? Are you running a motherboard with a chipset you couldn't afford to run without watercooling? Hell... are you planning to overclock? I doubt you would want that kind of heat load if you were.

Just a FYI, you are taking on a complicated project. I hope you have a mind for plumbing/thermal transfer. You have a few options and I would recommend looking into an actual manifold. Not like the Koolance manifold (which is complete shit), but a real manifold to split the liquid so it is not in series, but even then you run the risk of outputting so much heat that your radiator can not dissapate the heat you're generating with the hardware.

GEEZE I remember thinking like this last year when I made my first water cooling loop and it's too expensive, tons of work, and you'll end up having the wrong parts/case/pump/etc for the job you want to do.

The prices are lower than Koolance.com, since its a outlet.

Ok, a quadruple rad is not enought? Wow, and what kind of pump should i look for... and about the loop, the mobo stuff could be off but, i dont think they generate a lot of heat since the are usually passively cooled, so i thought i would throw them in there

douglatins · Apr 20, 2009

phanbuey said:
binge is right... Although your radiator will still cool better than an air setup, depending on the CPU you use, you will have a ton of heat to get rid of... so the radiator will work, just with a few higher-cfm fans.

As far as the chipset cooling, there is just no reason to watercool your VRMs... at all. In fact, by the time your water gets through all that crap in the loop, you may be actually warming your SB. NB is a maybe, but if you have a high end board, you will already have heat pipes which work just fine.

The vrms have to be liquid cooled because i would be removing the stock heatsink, and they are integrated, so i would have to purchase new passive one, same price as the LC ones. And still a quad rad is not enough? Geez, a dual crappy rad is enought to cool a 4870X2, like ATOMIC variant... so a Quad one wont be enought for CPU and GPU (i believe mobo are irrelevant)?
And i believe you are using a triple rad for a setup that's quite the same, thought i would eventually go to a i7

douglatins · Apr 20, 2009

Pete1burn said:
I set up my whole loop last week with high quality items for like $350. It sounds to me like you're overspending. I think we need a break down of what you're ordering.

Could you elaborate on items etc?

douglatins · Apr 20, 2009

Ok i just talked to the retailer about going 1/2... thinking about a new PUMP, wich one should i get? MCP655-B?

Binge · Apr 20, 2009

DDC 3.25 (Koolance 400) with XSPC res top or EK X-Top Rev 2

Also I am using a 9x120mm rad to cool my CPU/GPU and that's it, and I feel comfortable with this setup. I wouldn't with anything less.

douglatins · Apr 20, 2009

Binge said:
DDC 3.25 (Koolance 400) with XSPC res top or EK X-Top Rev 2

What are these stuff? I believe this pump i inferior to MCP655-B

Binge said:
Also I am using a 9x120mm rad to cool my CPU/GPU and that's it, and I feel comfortable with this setup. I wouldn't with anything less.

OMG a 9x Rad? thats like a building. Is is truly necessary?

phanbuey · Apr 20, 2009

douglatins said:
The vrms have to be liquid cooled because i would be removing the stock heatsink, and they are integrated, so i would have to purchase new passive one, same price as the LC ones. And still a quad rad is not enough? Geez, a dual crappy rad is enought to cool a 4870X2, like ATOMIC variant... so a Quad one wont be enought for CPU and GPU (i believe mobo are irrelevant)?

any heatsink is fine for the VRMs... really. A quad rad is enough. It really depends on your definition of "overloaded"- a quad will definitely not get the water to ambient, and you will have a tdelta (water out - ambient) of a few degrees - how much depends on the fans you are using. But in general it will cool better than air, especially the 295, which shouldn't load at more than 50C on any GPU.

The restiction in that loop is insane. Usually people will have two separate loops for that amount of stuff. Those VRM, NB, SB blocks will slow your flowrate to a trickle.

Binge · Apr 20, 2009

douglatins said:
What are these stuff?

OMG a 9x Rad? thats like a building. Is is truly necessary?

pump-http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swiftechmcp355.html
res top-http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/xsacreforlad.html
top-http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekwaekx.html

the top change actually does a lot. I had a D5 and it could not compare to the tiny pump with a top change.

Video- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C261buP_rbo

As for the 9x radiator... the 295 overclocked throws off more heat than my i7. My i7 can throw off over 320W of heat up to 380W when doing a high overclock... so to handle 800-900W of heat I wanted a huge radiator. My PA 120.3 could handle the i7 on it's own, but I would need to buy another one or a 4x120 rad just for the 295. It's two GPUs and they make a LOT of heat. You'll get lower temps with water but after a while a radiator that will not return the water temperature to ambient before returning it to the loop will just increase in temperature over time. It's a while, but it tends to happen like that.

douglatins · Apr 20, 2009

phanbuey said:
any heatsink is fine for the VRMs... really. A quad rad is enough. It really depends on your definition of "overloaded"- a quad will definitely not get the water to ambient, and you will have a tdelta (water out - ambient) of a few degrees - how much depends on the fans you are using. But in general it will cool better than air, especially the 295, which shouldn't load at more than 50C on any GPU.

The restiction in that loop is insane. Usually people will have two separate loops for that amount of stuff. Those VRM, NB, SB blocks will slow your flowrate to a trickle.

A separate loop means another pump and reservoir? and i think a dual rad would be enought for mobo components right?

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